trialsguru Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 im looking to buy a disc brake as my vee, although it works great its either on or off and makes some deafening noises lol. ive narrow it down to hope trial 160mm or 180mm and the avid mechanical 185mm, whats the good and bad points about these 3? do any of them fade in performance and also where can you get replacement pads for the avid? cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 The Avid is good. I had a quick play with a Hope trial and it seems really nice too. Quite grabby (like the Avid), which I like, and possibly a slightly nicer lever feel due the the hydraulic-ness of it. But I would say it's certainly not twice as good as an Avid, so not worth twice as much :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartridge Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 To add to what Tomm said, the Avid IS a great brake for the price. The downsides (especially noticeable riding natural) are the fade you get when its hot (I found myself with almost NO brake on many occasions), and the ability of the external adjusters to be knocked... sometimes leaving you with no brake at all! If you were to go for the Hope, I would recommend the 160 for a mod bike, and 180mm rotor for stock bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisRider Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 rity i havent had any proper experiences with a hope mono trial so cant comment on them really,ive only quickly tested them but have owned several hopes inc the 4pots which were good but then i got an avid.....immense i had a 160 and it was really nice,plenty of bite but in the end lacked power for a 13stone rider doing frontwheel gaps(well trying :"> ) i was running an xtr lever on a clarks cable(10quid thing from crc) now i have a 185 avid with nokon cable and an ultimate lever fookin amazing, silly smooth and light,better than any hydraulic ive ever used(mainly hopes) it doesnt suffer from fade as far as i can tell and i like my stoppies now alot more since i got suspension upfront it has tremendous hold and yet retains enough modulation to keep if safe tis a damn fine brake and i recomend it alot it really is worth paying the extra for nokon cables, they make sooo much difference in the feel of the brake. i also think its worth paying out for a lever such as an xtr or an avid ultimate as they make the brakes feel way better :huh: but really a 2quid cable and outer and a cheap avid/shimano lever will still make the brake feel superb (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 To add to what Tomm said, the Avid IS a great brake for the price. The downsides (especially noticeable riding natural) are the fade you get when its hot (I found myself with almost NO brake on many occasions), and the ability of the external adjusters to be knocked... sometimes leaving you with no brake at all! If you were to go for the Hope, I would recommend the 160 for a mod bike, and 180mm rotor for stock bike. Capich................. Waynio........................ the mono trial rocks the trials world :huh: (Y) it also stops you quick, plenty of power super fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I'v had an avid for a while, no other disc to compare it too though. How ever it feels the same as any hydraulic, and from what i'v heard, much better. I can imagine the hop will cut down the weight a bit though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoyoyo Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Hope trial all the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyJames Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Avid Mechanical if you want a super brake which won't leave you skint. Hope Trial if you want a super brake and have lots of £££. Really it is up to how much money you have because they are both immense. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Cook Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Hope trial deninatly ! :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urpedigreechumdog Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I just got my avid mechainical, set it up right and it's awesome :huh: And it's the 160 version... You can pick them up cheap from the woollyhatshop ebay auctions (Y) Or if you want one straight away, they are £50 for the caliper pads and rotor 185 version on the wollyhatshop site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipsy Jock Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I like the adjustability of my avid, my mono mini was a nightmare to adjust and i imagne the trial version is the same. The avid is also oh so simple, not much to go wrong really!!! Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_Porter Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 where else are hope mono trials in 180 availiable from??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philking Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 where else are hope mono trials in 180 availiable from??? ← You tried Tarty bikes Great shop selling great parts with great service... from a top mechanic. :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_Porter Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 allright mate, calm down with the bumming... :huh: i wanted to know if there is anywhere else apart from tartybikes that sell them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Motivator Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 allright mate, calm down with the bumming... (Y) i wanted to know if there is anywhere else apart from tartybikes that sell them... ← CRC will be very soon. Hows the Hayes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swize Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 allright mate, calm down with the bumming... (Y) i wanted to know if there is anywhere else apart from tartybikes that sell them... ← C.R.C Is that the one your looking for ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_Porter Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 (edited) thats 160, i will have to ring them to see if they can get the 180 ones...anyone ever rang them before about it? edit: shhh sam, the hayes is good. it is just going to be better on my xc bike...when ever i get the money for it (Y)" haha edit 2: did you ring crc then sam? Edited June 7, 2005 by James_Porter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Smith Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 hope trials brake, i can't honestly say i have ever tried a better brake...... (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanRs Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 So, what would people reccoemend over the Hope Trial 180 and the M4 180 ?? i want a m4, just basically cos i like 4 pot calipers. which one is a, lighter and b, more powerfull. p.s. i like modulation on the front. Ry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philking Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 allright mate, calm down with the bumming... (Y) ← Well sorry if you don't like my ass antics, but i like to shove it up adams bum occasionally :) Problemo??? Anyway back to the point... the trial is lighter and more on / off. Dont get me wrong however, it still has pleanty of modulation. The M4 on the other hand, slightly heavier, just as powerful (maybe more powerful) and more modulation. This is because it was designed for downhilling i believe, where an on / off disc is not nessisary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I have used both the avid and hope mon trials (160 & 180mm) I found my hope to be VERY un reliable, I have never got it to be as powerful as I would like from a brake, it never had any bite (but was exellent for stoppies). I tried new pads, new rotors, re bleads etc. I got it working ok, but the lever wasnt how I liked it, it was too far out and pulled to far in. I then washed my bike today with hope sh1t shifter (meant to be ok for disks), it just killed my mono trials, no power at all! This was the final straw, I took it off and put my avid back on, its piss easy to set up, is waaay more powerful than my hope ever was and was super easy to adjust. I am running mine with an ultimate lever and cheap cables (tried nokon, was crap) Its the smoothest brake out there, way easier to pull than my hope was. I havnt had any problems with heat fade (and you should see the hills I have to ride down!) but I have knocked the dials off in the past. If you havnt guessed by now, I reccomend getting an avid, it blows away the hope in every category but weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsguru Posted June 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 argh thanks for the help guys but im still none the wiser, seems like discs are very tempramental (sp) is there really that much more advantage over my vee to make it worth my while buy 1? thanks again pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 I would never think of putting a vee on the front, disks are far better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_Porter Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 to be honest, im with ali c on this. i havent personally used a hope trial disc but i have felt many and i just dont see what all the hype is about them. i used a avid disc for a good 6 months and i did like it, had loads of power and i really liked the feel of it. you can also get them right how you want them feeling, ie lever reach. i did find them fading when i was stopping going down hills, but never when i was riding actual trials and it allways came back within 10mins. i wouldnt bother spending £140 on a hope trial disc, the avid does the job just as well and for a quite a lot less. use your lever you have got now and buy the avid caliper and some cheap inner and outer cable, will cost you £80 at the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsguru Posted June 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 hmm ok thanks, i ride a lot of natural and really dont want my front brake fading at all! how easy is it to break the avid? is it going to fall apart after 1 hit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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