Mark W Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Thats ONZA for you. Hahaha ← 2 years unconditional (unless you've been a twat) half-price replacement, with a years warranty for manufacturing defects, as opposed to 3 months on new frames and forks, and none on the actual components? Value for money parts, as opposed to hideously over-priced frames and parts (I don't give a shit what spiel you wanna repeat from the Monty site, the 221 is NOT worth £530, neither is the "Monty" *cough*ACS Claw*cough* freewheel worth the £40-ish that Monty want you to pay for it, etc.)? Helping people get into trials by making decent quality bikes that actually have good components and geometry as opposed to just making crappy bikes with low quality parts and inflating the price just because it says "Monty" on the side? I don't really want to get into some kinda company war because, to put it bluntly, Cleanbikes are f**king amazing. I really appreciate the work that Barbara does both in Cleanbikes with their excellent customer service and for the Biketrial UK stuff and so on, but you're talking complete dick here Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Ye you have but that was ages ago in Morecambe i think ← Oh ok. Sorry, didn't realise :"> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 HaHa, in trialsboys defence that onza guy would lay an egg if he saw the t-master im ridings bash guard, its alot more molded to the frame than that for sure and mine has no sign of cracks. I think you need to re-think your design mate . That should be a full replacement cheers andy dude your obviosly not up on what IS and IS NOT abuse. get a life, then when you get a job in retial and some dick brings something back and wants warranty and your boss is telling you it isnt a warranty claim, give him another and see what happens? im sure the company will be swimming shortly!!! in a deep bloody river! your all so short sighted on here!(MOST not all!) the bash plate is intended to be landed on like a 26" bike where the cranks are NOT the f***ing front hole that holds it to the frame mate! nor for that matter the back 2! its only there as a last resort.i bet half of you couldnt use it if you tried! i tell you all what take them off like the new zoo's and put a bash ring on instead then see who can ride better? as the frame then wont be getting batterd or bent! it will be the bash ring like on a 26" bike. if your short sighted on here please dont post up in anything to do with warranty! you severly PISS people off and especially people who work in shops and already know the score with warranty claims. to make it even better you should all go buy motorbike trials bikes @ £2k-3k then when you brake something take it back see what they say? i do remember something like "NO WARRANTY WHAT SO EVER ON MOTORCYCLE TRIALS BIKES" now people stop posting "oh that should well be warrany, onza should send him a new one free" cos i havent looked at those pictures on page 3 that show the frame is F**KED! Waynio.......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Has anyone seen my shoe? Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Waynio theres only one thing that can help you now Calm down baby, have a peice of cheese. From the pictures you can see the bash has been used but I dont think that ,just because the frame has snapped there, it means he has landed on the bolts. I personally feel that the half price warranty is reasonable in this case. Although after 5 weeks of riding a frame, i'd be rather peeved if it snapped. IMO the rubber bits underneath should be blocks rather than those cylinders but thats up to onza. Thanks, Callum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 a dont need ta calm down lad. i just need other fellow trials forum members to actually see daylight and see things from another point of view instead of being selfish and from their own point of view all the time. Waynio....................... the bash plate has been well abused to me. i had a t-pro in that had cracked and the bash plate literally was nakerd! the customer said that it should have took more use than that. if onza didnt have the half price replacement people would take a different respect to their bikes. they wouldnt go stupid with them, but if i then said to you all ok go buy a bike that doesnt break within £400-700 can you do it? can you SH!T the onza bikes are built to a price and the best durability at that price, if one person breaks one in 100 sold do you really think that its a common enough problem to have to "change" their design JUST for that one person? i think not amigo.................. If your all so not happy with the situation when it happens to you go to "Trading Standards" i tell you not, you will have no joy as soon as you say its a trick or trials bike. they wont entertain you. unless the bike is immaculate and WAS a manufacturing defect in material or workmanship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colly Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 NO WARRANTY WHAT SO EVER ON MOTORCYCLE TRIALS BIKES theres usually a 6month one, but like wayne says if it has been abused like a sump guard has snapped it would be doubtfull i think its more like stuff if a selctor nacks int gearbox its only parts aswell not labour :huh:" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 cheers colly. i mainly was thinking of if you broke off mudguards and sumps and stuff. like this guy has done. completly mis shaped the bash plate which has caused the frame to break. Waynio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colly Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 the shop then will just laugh at you if you brung a snaped mudgueard in, like waynes says a trials bike gets a lot of abuse, and if a faulty part has been riden with and caused the frame to snap, well its his fault isnt it? like riding with a set of leaky forks and it gets on your disc brakes, imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Do you reckon if jay would of sent the frame with a newish bash on and unbent the elastomers back he would have had a different response? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee_Buchanan Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 a dont need ta calm down lad. No you need to get angry rocky....... :huh: Get physical with him... Tear his head off .... (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Has anyone seen my shoe? Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 No you need to get angry rocky....... :huh: Get physical with him... Tear his head off .... (Y) ← No no she doesnt :blink: lol. Thanks, Callum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 No even with a new bash plate on. come on if you cant see the blinking scratches down the chainstays and the dints and scratches in the down tube you have got a problem with your eyes????look just read collys last post about it at the bottom of page 8! good example there. Waynio....................... at least someone sees it from more than one perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmowerman Posted June 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I dont know how many times ive had to say this :huh:" The dent on the downtube was done on the first day i had it, all i did was slip on a rock and lightly hit the downtube. That night I got an armourdillo off Caleb and it was never taken off since. The scratches on the chainstays are from failed sidehops as ive been learning them recently. The scratches on the rh chainstay are from the chain slapping it, the chainstays are too big, my chain had to be super tight all the time for the chain not to rattle around all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketrialler Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 The scratches on the chainstays are from failed sidehops as ive been learning them recently. ← Exactly - you failed the sidehops, and damaged the frame doing it. Can't you see that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmowerman Posted June 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 So im not allowed to learn how to sidehop now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketrialler Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 You are allowed, of course you're allowed, but when you crunch your frame you cant blame Onza! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmowerman Posted June 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 im not blaming Onza (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketrialler Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 How are you not blaming onza when you want them to give you a free frame because you smashed up their bike!? lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmowerman Posted June 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 im blaming them for the crack because of the shite design of the frame, not for me scratching the chainstay (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 you have also said in another post further up I dont know how many times ive had to say this The dent on the downtube was done on the first day i had it, all i did was slip on a rock and lightly hit the downtube. That night I got an armourdillo off Caleb and it was never taken off since. well in that passage is a sentence of you landing on the downtube????not the bikes fault your fault. therefore causing a dent and then the frame to fail! you must have hit it in a spot near enough to the bash plate to make it break??? therefore not onza's fault and not a design flaw as such! like i said in an earlier post there is a lad i go riding with and his t-mag has a crazy dent in the down tube worse than yours and his hasnt broken!his is further up the downtube though and as soon as he had done it he knew he wouldnt get a new frame FREE even if it did break somewhere else as i explained to him if it did break that crash/abuse has weakened the frame. Waynio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipsy Jock Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 wow, This arguement is still going Guy's your never going to see eye to eye lol Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmowerman Posted June 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 Thats the dent on the downtube that was done of the first day. Nowhere near the crack as you can see. Now can everyone shut up about it now please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank_rider Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 Thats the dent on the downtube that was done of the first day. Nowhere near the crack as you can see. Now can everyone shut up about it now please? ← Not really, any dents to a tube like that will lead to weakening along the entire tubes length. To be honest if you had presented me with the frame in the condition it was in when you sent it back to supercycles i would have come to the same decision. It has been abused, the chainstays are pretty damaged. Yes you are allowed to learn to sidehop, but a bit of hose pipe zip tied on does a bloody good job of preventing damage. The chainstays on my base are vistually perfect, yet i learnt to sidehop on it, its not difficult to put some protection in place to prevent damage. I'm not saying that any amount of protection would have prevented the cracking, but it might have given you half a chance of convincing supercycles that you hadnt abused the frame if you had at least tried to take care of it. You yourself said you saved for ages to get the money together for the bike, so why not take a few simple steps to protect it? That bash plate has been landed on HARD several times, and whilst the design of the mount may not be the strongest in the world (I would have though a slightly bigger mount would have been a bit more sensible) the frame is designed to be light, and therefore is open to damage if used heavily. I know i'm not the smoothest rider in the world and tend to hit my downtube from time to time therefore i wouldnt go for a lightweight coust, it's pretty simple thinking really. I went for a set of light forks and so when they cracked i was not suprised, I'll be going for something a little more burly next time, or just know that they wont last me years. Personally i think the ONZA crash replacement policy is excellent, it means that when you do break something you have some sort of way in which to get back riding without having to shell out full price on new parts. The plus side for ONZA being that they get customer loyalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 Yeah but the t-pro weighs less and is a stronger frame. Jay had a hose pipe on his chainstays and like 2 innertubes on each chainstay lol. I even remember onza boy mark quoting it. He only took them off to be sent as they were all grubby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 dude your obviosly not up on what IS and IS NOT abuse. get a life, then when you get a job in retial and some dick brings something back and wants warranty and your boss is telling you it isnt a warranty claim, give him another and see what happens? im sure the company will be swimming shortly!!! in a deep bloody river! your all so short sighted on here!(MOST not all!) thanks wayne (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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