Whiteboy Posted May 15, 2005 Report Share Posted May 15, 2005 ok well looking for some help on vees for the rear. what is a good vee brake? can they are they as good as maguras? do they need much maintance? cables make a lot of diffrence. reason i am asking is that i have had a lot of problems with my magura recently and thinking of goin vee. i would prob go for a sd7 all round with standard cables with some vee adapters to allow me to run magura pads on it. prob stick like a tecktro booster on aswell or maybe nothing at all. so what are they like? worth it? well that set up give me good enough power etc? atm i have a rear rb lever blade on a magura with koxx bloxx on grind. thanks tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Posted May 15, 2005 Report Share Posted May 15, 2005 You could try switching levers to a standard magura one, could make a hell of a difference for the plus, worked for me :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted May 15, 2005 Report Share Posted May 15, 2005 all you need to do is ditch the bloxx and get some heatsinks, im getting on very well wth mine now :lol: Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endohopper Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 People are too easily dissmissive of V-Brakes , so I'll leap to their defence as best I can . A correctly set up rear V can be massively powerful , whilst still offering great modulation . The crucial factors are pad and cable choice .There are some very good soft V pads available now , and once "worn in "to the rim are very reliable . Your own suggestion of an Avid SD7 is a great idea , not entirely sure about adapted Magura blocks . Invest in some quality cable , and keep the cabling running in clean lines , and lubed , taking care to make your cuts straight . All this said , I'll confess to only having used Magura's HS33 for a few months , after which I chose to go back to V-brakes . V-Brakes : Weight saving , excellent stopping power , endless combinations of pad , cable , levers etc... I only hope your frame has cable stops , or is it hose guides only ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiteboy Posted May 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 the adapters are so that i can run normal magura pads on a vee brake. i was thinking maybe a odysey slic cable for it or somethin? do they hold aswell as maguras and would i need a booster? whats the cane creakCANE CREAKlever and shram calipers like? should i get this one? worth it? then get a nice cable? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich4130 Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 You could get a rear V, but they take a lot of tinkering with, and mine slipped pretty bad yesterday on this little up to drop thing, and i fell about 4ft quite hard... Stick with the mag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisa Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 My time with a vee was amazing. I only changed because of a 4 bolt mount frame and adaptors not being good enough really. I had an sd7 lever, odyessy linear cable, salsa booster and .... DEORE arms. The pad choice was CRV's and all that was on a nice grind. I wouldn't say it was better than my magura set up but it was definately no worse. You will really need a booster to get the best from any vee for trials. You don't want to skimp on pads either but as far as arms go even deores are OK. I am around 15 stone and anyone who knows me will alsways know my brake has to be perfect. That set up above was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george_seamons Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Is this because of your little ride on my Base Mr Tom?! B) I would never go back to a Magura now. I am seriously impressed with my setup. Although I would highly recommend an Avid Ultimate, they're probably more expensive than they're worth. An SD7 will do the job just as well. As for levers, I would recommend either the XT or the XTR. I did have an SD7 lever, but I really didn't get along with the flatness of the lever blade...it really hurt my fingers after a while :lol: The XTR is a much better shape for my fingers, and seems to be much more sturdy in terms of construction (it doesn't develop play as quickly as the Avid range) Cables are obviously very important. However, you don't have to spend loads of money on them. My inner cable was £1.99, and my outer was about £3. As long as you lube the hell out of both of them (I used Finishline wet XC lube and WD40) pretty much anything will do. Having a ceramic rim means that my pad choice wasn't too important. Pretty much any pad would work well for me. However, I decided to get Heatsink pads, and they are definatly the pad to go for. My brake has some serious bite...and just will not slip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Bleech Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 everyone says vees take ages to set up and loads of maintenence, but in my experience (and I am a long time vee user) is that they don't require any more maintenance as my mates maggies/disks I run cane creek calipers and xt levers, with odyssy brake line cable and heatsink pads. but i have run a full deore set up before and that worked pretty decent. I good (cheap) setup would be deore caliper xt levers linear slic cable heatsink pads plus if you grind your rim and use heatsinks or plaz, then there is no reason why it shouldn't be as good as your maggie. when out riding yesterday tim (drevil) broke his maggie lever (snapped the body the fat b*****d haha) and we tried to get spares, but we couldn't so that kinda messed up the ride. but if that had been me, i would have been able to get spares from any bikeshop and i kinda like that about vees. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Foamoi Refresher Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 (edited) you need to trust me on this, the best vee setup you could ever have is avid ultimate caliper, the best there is, or if on a budget get an sd7 avid ultimate levers, or if on a budget sd7 or xtr, personally not a fan of xtr pads, plazmatic crv's from cleanbikes, the best pads on the planet, better on smooth rims, but a grind is also very very good as for cables, dont get odyssey slics and dont get linier slics, as they fray very easily i would recoment a shimano gear cable out and regular inner, this allows the cable to be super smooth and do many many barspins without cable getting tight or if you have lots of money get a nokon cable, they are made up from metal links and last forever but costs about £40 for a cable as for booster, shimano carbon if you want to get a good vee brake setup get something from the above, trust me i have tried almost all of these and now run ultimate caliper, sd7 lever, crv pads, shimano gear cable have left it for about 4months now without touching it, and still is perfect, loads of modulation, loads of power, i am a long time vee user, went to them because my mugura broke and never looked back, they are soo simple to set up as long as you are patient with it, feel amazing and work like the dogs bollocks :lol: vee's rule luisio Edited May 16, 2005 by The Foamoi Refresher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTM Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 i get the feeling that the only people who are posting in here are those that use Vees and feel they have somthing to prove! lol Ive experienced the best vees and the best maggies, and one thing has become apparent, the best maggie is better than the best vee. simple. This is ^^^ in power/hold terms. But theres also the feel of a maggie is sooo much nicer than a rear vee. Cables are a bad way of transmitting forces when bends and longer distances are involved! For the front, they are great and offer ALOT of power for your money. But the rear just isnt worth the hassel imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartridge Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 i get the feeling that the only people who are posting in here are those that use Vees and feel they have somthing to prove! lol Ive experienced the best vees and the best maggies, and one thing has become apparent, the best maggie is better than the best vee. simple. This is ^^^ in power/hold terms. But theres also the feel of a maggie is sooo much nicer than a rear vee. Cables are a bad way of transmitting forces when bends and longer distances are involved! For the front, they are great and offer ALOT of power for your money. But the rear just isnt worth the hassel imo ← Was thinking exactly that first line when I read down the thread... and then Jon's post appeared, haha. The only good test of a brake is to ride some natural. George, I do believe your brake was utter turd when we went to Bracken? It just didnt hold at all :lol: So, in short, I agree with exactly what Jon said B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotchDave Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Vees all the way, I have a set of rimjam blue v pads on a ceramic rim, lx arms and xt levers, the power takes the piss, better than any others I know, that includes a pair of zoo pads on a smooth rim. I reckon that a pair of jam blues on a light grind, deore arms xt levers and an odyssey brake line cable is the best you can get. The problem with running a gear outer is that after a little while the actual housing pushes through it's coating, and sometimes messes up your brake. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SebJT Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Was thinking exactly that first line when I read down the thread... and then Jon's post appeared, haha. The only good test of a brake is to ride some natural. George, I do believe your brake was utter turd when we went to Bracken? It just didnt hold at all :lol: So, in short, I agree with exactly what Jon said B) ← Well all i can say is every time ive done natural ive had no problems with my brake. Especially yesterday (YMSA comp), didnt let me down once. Yet talking to people throughout the day there were a few with problems with theyre maguras. Id say my vee is as good as a magura and yes i have used a magura for 2 years and tried many set ups. But been so happy with my vee just over the sheer reliablitly of it. Very rearly have to play around with it and have been running the same XTR cables for over a year now. Gave my whole brake a good service a few weeks back and its now smoother than ever. My set up: Ultimates XTR lever XTR hosing Echo/ademant booster Janson's Vee adapters Heatsink backings with my own made pads from rimjam red material. Pads are the only problem right now, cant seem to get hold of decent pads, plasmatics all out of stock right now. And steve doesnt seem to be making any more vee pad material :P Gonna go to the plastic shop sometime and see if i can get some decent compound. Seb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotchDave Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Rimjam Vee pads, try em they're very good. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatsink Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Hello, My ears are burning! Something to clear up about my pads if that's not being cheeky. George S is running some of the yellow Heatsink pad material that I made up as a to fit his CRV backings. You've had them quite a while now George - good to hear they're still going! SebJT was running the Heatsink Vee backings with white pads. And it's true I haven't been able to supply any refills for these backings in recent weeks. But worry not, all that's sorted out now, I have moulded refills ready, and I'll be in contact with the 2 riders (that includes Seb) who are waiting for these. Finally, I don't know how to say this politely, but it dissappoints me to see that Adam seems to never miss an opportunity to slag off my pads. I decided at the beginning to never post anything negative about his pads or the RimJam ones. Am I alone in thinking it's better for us to keep things professional and avoid slagging each other's wares off on TF? I think that from the moment I started to make my pads available, new responsibilities for behaviour were appropriate. I think it's entirely right that riders should speak their minds on TF about products etc, but surely shops should behave in a more restrained manner. ^ I don't want this to come across nastily, I just thought that it had to be said since I've endured almost 1 year of one way traffic on this. Cheers, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george_seamons Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 The only good test of a brake is to ride some natural. George, I do believe your brake was utter turd when we went to Bracken? It just didnt hold at all :lol: ← True, but that was only do to the fact that one of the pads was only half on the rim, and that the pads weren't hitting at the same time. Add to the fact that I very very rarely ride natural, and all in all, I am very happy with my pads. I've had my original Heatsinks for a good few months now (can't remember exactly how many, but its a fairly long time) and there is still masses of pad left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pork Pie Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 I'd like to add that the Konig pads are superb. I didn't get on with the White pads, as Steve knows, but the Reds are superb. They've made me much more confident :lol: Really appreciate what you're doing Steve B) Keep it up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SebJT Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Hello, My ears are burning! Something to clear up about my pads if that's not being cheeky. George S is running some of the yellow Heatsink pad material that I made up as a to fit his CRV backings. You've had them quite a while now George - good to hear they're still going! SebJT was running the Heatsink Vee backings with white pads. And it's true I haven't been able to supply any refills for these backings in recent weeks. But worry not, all that's sorted out now, I have moulded refills ready, and I'll be in contact with the 2 riders (that includes Seb) who are waiting for these. ← Sounds good, will these refills be of the new konig material or the same white or something else. Look forward to hearing from you soon. Seb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatsink Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Sounds good, will these refills be of the new konig material or the same white or something else. Look forward to hearing from you soon. Seb ← I'm pleased to say they're the Konig material :lol: Rather than take over this thread, I'll PM you the rest of the details in a sec. Cheers, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartridge Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Finally, I don't know how to say this politely, but it dissappoints me to see that Adam seems to never miss an opportunity to slag off my pads. ← Sorry Steve, it really wasn't meant in that manner - in fact when I made the post, it hadnt crossed my mind that George was running your pads at Bracken. It was a 'dig' at the hold (well, lack of) of his V-brake. Apologies for that. I think it's entirely right that riders should speak their minds on TF about products etc, but surely shops should behave in a more restrained manner. I 100% agree with this, and it's the reason why I use two accounts. I guess I should shut up then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skandy32 Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 out of experience, of using both maggys and v brakes.... i would recomend one of each.... te he he no seriously, i have a shimano DX, yes a DX!! rear brake arms, deore lever, and plaz pads! it holds incredibly well. In fact i might even jump to saying, "as good a luis's ultimate settup". It really does work! it holds better than any maggie i have used. in terms of settup / mantenence (sp!) i would prefer a vee. One bolt lets you move each pad. Whereas i found i had to undo the entire magura brake to move a pad a tincy bit! Also, cables are easier to replace than re-bleeding + fitting a hose!! but i still have a maggy on the front! purely because i dont want a grippy on off feel for a front brake! i wanted a almost naff one, hence my settup hope i helped :mellow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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