Heatsink Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 And by Windows you mean Microsoft :turned: ← The wonders of the invisible "Editted by" for SMs :"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomturd Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 I dont think them being HDTV compatible is a gimmick.. Its a step closer to photographic quality moving images, and with the graphics capabilities of these new machines we should soon be playing movie quality games. HDTV is coming to the UK in 2010 (?) which isnt that far off really, im just a bit gutted cos I bought a 23" LCD telly a couple of months ago which isnt HDTV compatible. That might have to go on ebay while its still worth the same/more than what I paid for it.. Not a big gamer myself anyway.. infact I hardly play them apart from tiger woods golf and mario on the snes :"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giptown Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Sky are apparently broadcasting HD-TV channels from next year. On the console front, as has been said previously, it's not simply about raw power, its about how the games are created by the developers (although its granted that more processing power should mean a greater scope for improved graphics), and ultimately; how playable the games actually are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyroo Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 HDTV is mainly going to be popular with gamers who use projection units, to keep the resolution high as the screen size increases. As someone else said, the PS3 is boasting an awful lot of technology, especially the blu ray technology, which, when released, is set to cost about £1000 for a player, so how do they plan to keep prices down? Xbox 360 has been quoted to be going for $300 new in America. (For England, it'll probably be the same numbers, but different symbol, just to rip us off) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 In a nutshell, the Xbox has an inferiour spec to the PS3 because Microsoft have decided to concentrate on being the first to market. Microsoft are also hoping that despite having a lesser hardware spec (which will still be immense in comparison to anything on the market at the moment), they will be able to attract loyality via good quality games. ← I don't think that's such a bad tactic, it worked for the PS2 vs the Xbox, and also the PS1 vs the N64. But I have a feeling that most people will have already made their mind up in terms of which console they want next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backgren Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Whooooo, since when could you put windows on a x-box? Any links ect? Some hacker found a lopphole in the security system in the very first XBOX's so he could run Windows on it. Of course he published "how to's" and stuff, but as soon as Microsoft found how it was done they fixed/made it impossible on the later machines. So, if you dont have one of the very first machines, its impossible... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank_rider Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 I agree with Danny, I don't see any reason why they can't include a DVI port, as this would allow playing on much higher resolution screens other than HDTVs. As for the difference in specs, i don't think they will make much difference, as you are only just seeing games that fully exploit the PS2 graphics capabilities, it will take time for the game developers to get the best from the next generation consoles and therefore whichever is released first will be the more successful in my opinion. With regards to IBM stealing the march, I would love to see some of these chips become available for PC's using one of the currently available socket configurations although the likelyhood of that is minimal. I'm not sure if they are compatible with the next generation of operating systems which will no doubt run using 64bit processors, if not then they will more than likely be consigned to macs which would be such a waste of a good, on paper, processor. Finally does anyone have any details on the cooling these beasts are going to be using? I can see them needing to shift some serious amounts of air to keep the beasty processors cool. Just think of the speeds that could be achieved with decent full sized PC cooling, even just on air!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giptown Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 According to that X-Box release linked further back in this thread, the X-Box will be water-cooled. I think its mentions it in this vid that Alexx linked to: link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 According to that X-Box release linked further back in this thread, the X-Box will be water-cooled. I think its mentions it in this vid that Alexx linked to: link. ← Nah, it says there's some kind of liquid-cooling. It'll just be heatsinks and heat pipes (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giptown Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Our water cooled, CPU heat sink solution... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Is there any possibility of pc games playing on these new machines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMonkey Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Erm dunno if someone has posted this but, the PS3 will have an alleged 8 processors, what they fail to mention there's only 1 core proccessor, whereas the XBox 360 has 3. The PS3 has 8x3.2GHz SPE Processors with 1 core at 3.2GHz, XBox 360 has 3x3.2GHz Core processors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 The PS3 is supposedly capable of twice the number of Teraflops as the XB360 though. Anyway, there's no point arguing over specs, especially when the only ones available are direct from the manufacturer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Has anyone seen my shoe? Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 (edited) Well worse news for xbox lover like me. Microsoft are not sure if they are going to make the old games work on the new xbox. They said they may backtrack with certain titles but didnt say much else. Will edit in a sec with a quote! Thanks, Callum Microsoft won't be able to claim complete backwards compatibility on Xbox 360, select titles will be supported. Microsoft says it will incorporate the feature for "best selling Xbox" games, but refused to go into specifics. More details on Microsoft's plans should be announced at a later date Edited May 18, 2005 by Has anyone seen my shoe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Thing is though, when do you use your PS2 for PS1 games? I don't. No biggie really. Plus if you already have the XBOX ^_^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusional Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 As people have already said, the main thing that sells a console isn't the spec but the games, and in this regard Xbox should be way ahead. From talking to a lot of my game developer friends, it seems the dev kits for the xbox and ps2 (and assumably the x360 and ps3) are worlds apart. While the xbox dev kit was quite high level, allowing basic structures of games to be quickly developed and leaving more time for those finishing touches that really make a game, the PS2 dev kit was made with the intent of letting the developers code 'as close to the metal as possible'. While in terms of raw performance this should in theory be a bonus, allowing the developers to manipulate the end product to take advantage of every bit of performance available, it does mean that any development team needs a rack of different experts, and a glut of extra time, to write any game. As such the development budget doesn't go as far, and you end up with a game with less polish. Of course, things might be totally different for the next generation consoles. For one thing, with the radically new hardware in the xbox it's no longer just a PC inside. As such, if the operating system isn't refined properly, it could stop the x360 being quite as attractive to develop for. Another big difference is the presence of a hard drive. I'm not sure what the final word is on a hard drive in the PS3, but as far as I'm aware they don't intend to include one. Frankly I think that's a foolish move on Sony's part, the hard drive on the xbox is absolutely integral to some new games, and the lack of it on the PS2 is blocking any chance some games had of being ported to it. A prime example of this is the "Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic" games that used the hard drive extensively to keep track of the changes in the environment, etc. There's much more scope for far wider ranging games with a hard drive present on the x360. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Has anyone seen my shoe? Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 (edited) Lol just found this! The reason why the xbox has gone all mac like on us Thanks, Callum Edit: Delusional There will be a 2.5-inch hard drive (i.e. laptop hard drive) attachment—a first for a Sony launch (no, we don’t count the PSX and/or the FF add-on) Edited May 18, 2005 by Has anyone seen my shoe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketrialler Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Since when has the xbox gone all mac on us ^_^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Has anyone seen my shoe? Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Its gone all white and pretty instead of being ugly. Simple! Thanks, Callum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketrialler Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Thats silver and has ugly swooshy lines! Nice to see that you familiarise nice looking tech. equipment with Apple products though ^_^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Since when has the xbox gone all mac on us ^_^ ← Loads of people keep assuming this is Bill's dig at the Apple market, as their using majorly developed chipsets that Apple use. :P The Xbox isn't that size anyway. Watch the video, it's a shit load smaller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusional Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 There will be a 2.5-inch hard drive (i.e. laptop hard drive) attachment—a first for a Sony launch (no, we don’t count the PSX and/or the FF add-on) Isn't that being sold as an optional extra? There's already a optional extra harddrive for the PS2, the problem there is that as very few people are likely to buy an 'optional extra' hard drive it can't be relied on being present when developing a game (you can't limit your market like that!). So, in terms of game development, it may as well not be there.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 It may have all these cores running at super speeds but remember clock speeds isnt everything for example a 2.3Ghz AMD outperforms a 3.0Ghz Intel processor. Its all to do with how much information they do per clock cycle. If anyones read the xbox 360 review on bit-tech its a lot better than most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Has anyone seen my shoe? Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Isn't that being sold as an optional extra? There's already a optional extra harddrive for the PS2, the problem there is that as very few people are likely to buy an 'optional extra' hard drive it can't be relied on being present when developing a game (you can't limit your market like that!). So, in terms of game development, it may as well not be there.... ← No apparently it comes as standard. Look on the link! Thanks, Callum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 STORAGE --HDD Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1 --I/O--USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0) --Memory Stickstandard/Duo, PRO x 1 --SD standard/mini x 1 --CompactFlash(Type I, II) x 1 No mention of HDD as standrad there though. I think it would be foolish for Sony not to include one though (Y) Although a MemoryStick/CompactFlash card reader is definitely a good thing. Or even to allow saves to a USB memory stick would be pretty fly. Unlimited space pretty much, no expensive memory cards, and you could download game saves from the internet. That's definitely a good thing :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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