Davetrials Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 some more info on OTN Has anybody used,seen one of these before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehukatti Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 (edited) i heard that it has only one pawl of three that locks in to the freehub at one time. that's the reason it has so many clicks. i wouldn't trust them for shit. Edited May 13, 2005 by mehukatti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTTY___ Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 i heard that it has only one pawl of three that locks in to the freehub at one time. that's the reason it has so many clicks. i wouldn't trust them for shit. ← Doesn't it say it has a 3pawl system?! Scotty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartridge Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 i wouldn't trust them for shit. ← Ditto. 3 pawls. 36 tooth ratchet. Sounds dodgy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairy elephants Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 i heard that they have only one "nail" that locks in to the freehub. i wouldn't trust them for shit. ← If by "nail" you mean "pawl" then it would seem you are correct... 3 off set pawls... may not be uber strong, but who knows?! Personally if anybody is wanting a new hub i would say get a hope bulb or wait for the hope trials hub. I run a CK classic, and i find very little difference between this and my mates bulb, and with a hope, if it breaks you can get spares nice and cheap :S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTTY___ Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Ditto. 3 pawls. 36 tooth ratchet. Sounds dodgy. ← Why? Can you explain in detail for me? As im new to this stuff :S Thanks, Scotty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartridge Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 36 teeth in the ratchet. 3 pawls. 108 engagements. = only one pawl at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTTY___ Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 36 teeth in the ratchet. 3 pawls. 108 engagements. = only one pawl at a time. ← Oh yer. But if one slips won't another come into play? Scotty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartridge Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Yeah, but it'll rape the tooth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..johal.. Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 no need for any more engagements than 72 (good old chris king) sounds like hadley's shall blow! johal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarshRider Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 yeah imagine how come hope rachets fail with 3 pawls engaging at the same time! now think they have the power distibuted over the 3 pawls! now if you have one pawl engage at a time this means all the force is taken one that one tiny pawl..... they would be good if they were £15 then you could replace it all but every week for the smoothest riders! :S Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTTY___ Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Yeah, but it'll rape the tooth... ← Fair Enough.... But what about all the other hubs that have 4pawls and similar engagment points? Scotty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartridge Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 They have much lower engagement (48), and 2 pawls at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 (edited) scotty basically i see it as, hopes run 3 pawls engaging at the same time and i never have trusted them, they slip and stress alot, so imagine this with just one pawl holding you up at anyone time, if you have ever taken a hope apart you will see just how small this equipment is. v.small. so 1 of these pawls cannot be strong enough for the stresses trials puts upon a hub. now i dont know the exact details however kings dont rely on pawls, there are 72 points engaging at anyone time so this is why they almost never skip if bedded in correctly. i think that is right i wouldnt trust it not one pawl, for d/h they are the mutts nutts but not for trials. stay well away EDIT : GODDAM GUYS SLOW THE REPLIES DOWN Edited May 13, 2005 by travistrials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarshRider Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 (edited) To be onset the maximum amount of engagment you could get out of a rachet hub is around 36 (hope bulb) without off setting the pawls, and even that is pushing it! a well designed rachet hub... say profile could get 48 by off setting the pawls and like the new hope trial? i think...... but things always do inprove..... i think with this hub they are deffinatly pushing the limits of a rachet hub! i don't know a lot about chris king hubs, but i know they have a special and simple feature which works really well. i really think clutch type hubs could be progressed futher... they have a good principle which i recorn could be "the way forward!" Rich oh yeah this is directed towards trials! ovioulsy this hub could be used for other disoplins of biking like downhill or xc maybe.... Edited May 13, 2005 by HarshRider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Does anyone do a White Industries Eno Trials freewheel style hub? 'cos that's got 72 engagements with a ratchet 'n' pawls style system, and they seem pretty reliable, really*? Seeing as that's all that click in a tiny space, they could surely make a hub like that? Would mean there was more room to maneuvre inside, so you'd be able to have bigger, stronger, burlier parts? *Touch wood, anyway :P They go a bit funny at first, but once the initial grease oozes out of the bearings onto the pawls you can clean that off and they work fine :S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totaltrials Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 36 teeth in the ratchet. 3 pawls. 108 engagements. = only one pawl at a time. ← This doesnt mean it's weak or going to slip, the hubs only as strong as the pawls and ratchet, and I think if the ratchet is good enough and the pawls are well made and out of a good material, you will never have a problem. phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Yes, but Chris Kings are pretty damn well made, and they still skip occasionally? Hope hubs are really good quality and they still skip? I'm not saying that a super well made hub wouldn't skip, but a general hub made in Taiwan probably isn't going to be "super well made", so I'd be very, very surprised if it didn't skip at least once, which would be enough with just one pawl... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totaltrials Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Yes, but Chris Kings are pretty damn well made, and they still skip occasionally? Hope hubs are really good quality and they still skip? I'm not saying that a super well made hub wouldn't skip, but a general hub made in Taiwan probably isn't going to be "super well made", so I'd be very, very surprised if it didn't skip at least once, which would be enough with just one pawl... ← I don't think hope hubs are made from a very good material, chris kings are totaly different, and they don't slip if you look after them properly. But if this hub slips say once a week, does this make it a bad hub? It also seems to be strong enough to resist twisting, especially as it's just a downhill hub really, it's quite beefy. phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartridge Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 the hubs only as strong as the pawls and ratchet, and I think if the ratchet is good enough and the pawls are well made and out of a good material, you will never have a problem. ← Thats sort of true... we both know that the main issue with Hope hubs is the axle flexing though. Hopes are also made of decent materials, and still have problems with the materials failing. Its not really feasible to compare it to a King, the King has a far superior design, and still works perfectly, even when all the drive parts are made of aluminium (thats how they used to be made). I wouldn't trust a hub working with only one pawl, however well made it was. Thats my take on it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne-king Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 ratchet + pawls = very old technology. i think clutch hubs are the future for trials (such as the stealth) but the reliabilty problems need a bit of work first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nick Riviera Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 buy on if you dont like to chew your food :S although iirc steve peat used to use hadley hubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne-king Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 buy on if you dont like to chew your food :S although iirc steve peat used to use hadley hubs ← he did indeed, but then he didnt really have to worry about engagement did he? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartridge Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 although iirc steve peat used to use hadley hubs ← Yeah, he doesn't ride trials though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Thats sort of true... we both know that the main issue with Hope hubs is the axle flexing though. Hopes are also made of decent materials, and still have problems with the materials failing. Its not really feasible to compare it to a King, the King has a far superior design, and still works perfectly, even when all the drive parts are made of aluminium (thats how they used to be made). I wouldn't trust a hub working with only one pawl, however well made it was. Thats my take on it anyway. ← agreed, mainly beacuse having three points engaged at one time is better than just the one. i prefer reliability of engagement rather than the number of engagements. my king is always there when i need it. whereas a hope wasnt, it was easier for it to slip. number of engagements is just about the ease of finding an engagement when it is nessacary, such as being leant far back after a touch hop a king is easier to be in the correct engagement point where as a hope has less chance of being in the right position. :S kind of, i think..... but again thats my take Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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