munkee Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 i was waiting for a "priceless" joke to come along. Good ole lufbra uni have had a bit of a crack down on uploading/downloading, p2p, net telephoning and stufff. Purely because theres been a few big companies i.e FOX who have tried to sue the place so i heard. Even though all the banning has happened people still share within the network using itunes redux. I suppose they can only catch people using home pcs? would be a right arse trying to get someone at uni. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corish Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Usually its only the uploaders that get done for it. Thanks, Callum ← And thats how it should be if it isn't! They should get rid of uploaders not downloaders because while ever theres an upload there will be a downloader, same with drugs, while ever theres a dealer there will be buyers, with out the dealers theres no buyers. so think about it who would you go for if you was the bobbies? corish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron_trials _247 Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Usually its only the uploaders that get done for it. Thanks, Callum ← we are the uploaders as soon as you download where ever ur music/files goes to that is an upload folder and people upload from you.... Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardman Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 I'd Fdisk with my shoe. Problem solved. ← Yet brute force always wins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extreme_biker0 Posted May 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Guys what's all this talk of legality? There's nothing illegal in downloading copyright material, that's a civil mater. ← Lol of coarse it's illegal! Civil law says it is! The only difference between civil and criminal law is that criminal law involves the state (govornment) and not just two people. Out of interest what music are these people that you know that got done for downloading music into? I can imagine people getting f**ked for downloading stuff thats really popular... Ie most pop music, indie stuff (the killers... I bet she downloaded something of theirs) and older rock music. I cant see them being so bothered about people downloading some obscure hardcore music that doesnt make them money. ← Thats right, being a typical teenage girl into like destinies child all the latest stuff like that. Saying that though, you have to think of these peoples motives, and I think primeraly it is the money involved. Sueing you for £2,000 for downloading a few songs is going to get them £2,000 at the end of the day no matter if you only had a few songs. And thats how it should be if it isn't! They should get rid of uploaders not downloaders because while ever theres an upload there will be a downloader, same with drugs, while ever theres a dealer there will be buyers, with out the dealers theres no buyers. so think about it who would you go for if you was the bobbies? corish ← The uploaders will be downloaders as well, so are going to get caught, don't you worry your little head Corish, justice will prevail. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank_rider Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 May i please take a moment to mention that every time one of us makes a biking vid with a song to it that isnt our own we are breaking copywrite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 And thats how it should be if it isn't! They should get rid of uploaders not downloaders because while ever theres an upload there will be a downloader, same with drugs, while ever theres a dealer there will be buyers, with out the dealers theres no buyers. so think about it who would you go for if you was the bobbies? ← Yeah, but without buyers there would be no dealers :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OD404 Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Good point Andy, and the one further up about videos... To be honest we are all guilty when it comes to copywrite laws, who here has lent or borrowed a cd? Though I won't take the moral high ground in this debate/argument as those who know me will tell you, I'm not shy when it comes to downloading, though most of my stuff is to do with CAD/CAM/CAE software as opposed to music and the companies concered get their money from industry rather than Joe Public so they aren't all that bothered. Just remember if you do it, don't be suprised if/when you get caught, I won't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cultiv8ed_mike Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 May i please take a moment to mention that every time one of us makes a biking vid with a song to it that isnt our own we are breaking copywrite. ← I think there must be a loophole that lets us do that, otherwise echo/zoo videos wouldnt be able to use linkin park songs without a licence. Extreme_biker0, do u work for the BPI? :blink: personally, if me or someone I knew was sued by this cartel I would never buy a new CD again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 okay so p2p sharing is obviously illegal but what about the websites that you join and pay something like £2 a month and you can download all the music you want? are they legal? surely the cost for hosting the music would be far greater than the income from peoples memberships? I might join one that i found for £12 a year and than if anyone tries to sue me i can say i purchased it as a product from a company therefore I am not breaking the law! please set me straight if i'm wrong. I'm getting braodband soon just to download music so i'll forget it if i'm still not allowed. nah i might still get it to download peoples riding vids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikamon Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 okay so p2p sharing is obviously illegal but what about the websites that you join and pay something like £2 a month and you can download all the music you want? are they legal? surely the cost for hosting the music would be far greater than the income from peoples memberships? I might join one that i found for £12 a year and than if anyone tries to sue me i can say i purchased it as a product from a company therefore I am not breaking the law! please set me straight if i'm wrong. I'm getting braodband soon just to download music so i'll forget it if i'm still not allowed. nah i might still get it to download peoples riding vids. ← totally depends on the site, itunes napster and a few others are completly legal but cost alot more than £12 a year for all you can eat music the place i stand on this is exactly the same as parking and not buying a ticket, i have done it soo many times that i have saved more money not buying a ticket each time i park, that when i do get a £45 fine its a bit of payback to the company but im still gettign a good deal. same with music and movies n stuff, i have had well over £2000 worth of CDs and early release dvds that if i get fined £2000 im still a winner. dont get me wrong it would suck to get fined £2000 but if i does happen i got loads for that £2000 if u get me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusional Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Servers log everything you download, they have done for years. As far as I know they have to keep your records on file for 8 years before they can remove them. It depends on what your though, most of the data servers are just saving info about the packets etc your recieving, with little idea of the actual content of the packets. You can get around it by running a box with smoothwall or something alike, but it's not worth it, the chances of being prosecuted are something like the same as winning the lottery. Though 'example cases' are more common in the USA so i've heard. You'd have to be loading massive amounts of data anyway... It's a load of rubbish anyway, if you listen to internet radio, the music is being buffered to your computer as your listening to it, so during that time period your illigally storing the music... :rolleyes: Technically when you record a TV programe to watch later your breaking the same law... I'd just Fdisk my computer and tell them to prove it... ^_^ Ok, several technical points in this. Firstly there is no requirement for a person to keep their server logs, in fact it would really be good practice for most people running servers that hold/deal with data that may be infringing copyright to just redirect their logs to /dev/null (i.e. never even save them to disk). There are some restrictions on ISP's keeping their transit logs I think, but I'm not too up on them and they'll generally only be requested/given when an individual is already under investigation. Just running a firewall (like smoothwall) won't in anyway help you get around this kind of thing unless it's located offsite and routing the data back to you in some encrypted/unreckognisable form, then the owner of the connection where it's located will get done instead! Home taping of TV programs isn't really illegal, this is how things like Tivo and Sky+ can be sold to us :) Oh yes, deleting your data wouldn't do any good, if they've been investigating you they probably have all your ISP logs showing you downloading the data, so the only way you could get out of that is if you could prove your machine had been hacked and the downloading had been done by a third party. Even then you may be responsible for not taking proper care of your machine to ensure such things didn't happen... The only way to do truly anonymous p2p is Freenet. With that it's absolutely impossible to prove what you have been using your 'net connection for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nick Riviera Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 if it comes too it f-disk<microwave but unless youre a huuuuuuuge uploader whats the big deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 How does this affect things like bit-torrent, is that the same as say Limewire? Cheers Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai the Socket Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Ok, several technical points in this. Firstly there is no requirement for a person to keep their server logs, in fact it would really be good practice for most people running servers that hold/deal with data that may be infringing copyright to just redirect their logs to /dev/null (i.e. never even save them to disk). There are some restrictions on ISP's keeping their transit logs I think, but I'm not too up on them and they'll generally only be requested/given when an individual is already under investigation. Cut short... ← I'd just like to say. You're awesome. That was a really interesting post. Thanks (Y) (it might sound sarcastic but it's not at all! It was a really good post!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexx Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Ok, several technical points in this. Firstly there is no requirement for a person to keep their server logs, in fact it would really be good practice for most people running servers that hold/deal with data that may be infringing copyright to just redirect their logs to /dev/null (i.e. never even save them to disk). There are some restrictions on ISP's keeping their transit logs I think, but I'm not too up on them and they'll generally only be requested/given when an individual is already under investigation. Yeah you may be right, I don't know much about laws regarding what data ISP's are required to save Just running a firewall (like smoothwall) won't in anyway help you get around this kind of thing unless it's located offsite and routing the data back to you in some encrypted/unreckognisable form, then the owner of the connection where it's located will get done instead! Apparently you can run smoothwall and ghostsurf just on a seperate box, use a proxy and your surfing 100% anonymous. Check out http://www.theargon.com Home taping of TV programs isn't really illegal, this is how things like Tivo and Sky+ can be sold to us :P Provided YOU and only YOU (not even anyone else living in your house) watches whatever you just recorded, and you don't lend it to anyone, there's a whole bunch of stupid loopholes and laws around this stuff (Y) kinda pointless really... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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