Prawny Baby Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 right then lads.... but of a random one, and i know the subject of hooks has been coverd countless times before.... but watching all the recent vids, it appears that the big difference between good riders, and REALLY good riders is front hooks.... as it stands, without hooking, the limit for us mere mortals seems to be around 4ft for getting up stuff to backwheel/both yet when a hook is used, the limits seem endless.... so why is it that some people can hook, and some really good riders just cant get the hang of it at all! i can happily hook all day long on natural, if u find a nice slightly sloped rock, yet move onto the street, and a vertical wall, and even at just 4ft ive not got a chance in hell of getting near it!!!! its just that it seems to be the big barrier in my riding and im really desperate to learn them! i dont need any tips on how to do them, as ive read it all so many times (Y) hit it hard and low, get weight over the front... blah blah blah! i just cant do it! so, unless anyone has any wonder tips that are previously unheard, i jsut want to know how people went about learning the technique>? was it just trial and error? and just how many people out there can hook?> all you people out there who can hook, how did it come about? did you just decide to learn to hook, and go for nothing but for a few weeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Bleech Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 (edited) yeah i struggle with hooking on vertical walls, can usually do it after a few go on a slightly sloped wall! I learnt it in an evening at the last indoor trial at wales (see D4 (Y) ) but i dunno i don't think i go fast enough at the vertical wall! try starting by learning a pallet up against the wall, thats what I am gonna try! mike Edited April 28, 2005 by leedstrials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardman Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Ive never really tried its probably a mental thing, Im sure if someone taught me the right way Id be able to do it, infact thats my next move to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIX Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 They are hard. I remeber seeing adam wilson doing them in a video and that it was a great technique. So I made a pile of pallets so I could practise them. Took a while to get, but I was only trying them now and then. They are alot harder on vertical walls. Its funny I could do them consistently on my zebdi, but now on my new control (which I thought would be better for them) I cant get them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 I can't hook vertical walls, sloped stuff is super easy though. I hope 50mm bb rise wil help (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picki Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 i dont think i have tried hooking vert walls, mucked about on pallets with a near very one at the bottom and got up 8 once...hook style though. must try hooks (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamHolmes Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Id love to learn to front hook on vertical walls I can do it on a slightly sloped pallet but as soon as I try it on a vertical wall it just seems impossible to actually go anywhere :( I just hit it and fall (Y) Has anyone got any good tips? Sam :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aust Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 if you can get your front wheel over the wall.. its pretty piss.. just hit the face and go again... learning it isnt really that hard.. but once you got the technique sorted its easy (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 What's the best height for learning it? I'm guessing higher than you can just backwheel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endofreak Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 I can get the front wheel over the wall but don't seem to be able to throw myself up and forward to get the rest of the bike up. Time to join the gym maybe (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
011001000110010101110010 Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Very rarley, on sloped surfaces. Not really got into it much as I like my head tube (Y) Will give it a go soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aust Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 8 blue palletes ius about right.. to learn it on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somberlaine Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 So is front hooking where you try to get up a wall, which is too high for normal backwheeling, by getting you fron wheel hooked over the top and then pulling the rest of your bike to back wheel? Is this in one fluent motion or do you get wheel hooked ontop. Then balance and pprep yourself to throw the bike all the way up. If that is the case then it sounds bloomin hard! Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aust Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 no you just hit the wall and go again... using the momentum (sp?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Hooking was my nemisis untill the other day, I could do sloped walls fairly easily, but virtical ones seemed impossible. There is an upside down canal boat on the towpath near my house, its about shoulder hight. Its as virtical as your gonna get and I have always wanted to try it, but was too scared. The other say I just thought sod it! I tryed it and it was easier than I thought. I can get to bash nearly every time, but a few times I got it to rear wheel only to have my brake slip (dam disk!) one time it didnt slip but my weight was too far back I just pivoted on my back wheel over the edge. This has put a whole new light on hooks for me, I want to try some different ones, but there arnt any more around me (Y) TIPs fast, be confident, weight forward, be confident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 I did my first hook on a 55" vertical wall, took a bit of doin. The problem I used to have, I used to land to high up on the wall so my pedal hit the corner of the wall. But you just gotta make sure your front wheel is just on top of the wall and go slightly angled so that your foot misses the wall, and when you hit the wall, have all your weight over the bars and you'll shoot up lol. A lot of people learnin them don't go quick enough in their run up, but you gotta go faster than you think, and lot faster than a tap anyway. Rossi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prawny Baby Posted April 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 FECK (Y):o:S that ahrd thing for me.... seems to be getting your weight over the front, yet still getting the front up really high!!!! looking at vids in slow mo, it appears that for a hook of around 4-4.5ft, the bike is only actually around 1-1.5ft off the ground when tyou hit the face of the wall!!!! which would imply that its totally about technique. i can hook sloped stuff easily enough, but i do sometimes catch my pedal.... which makes me think im hoping too high into the hook, as i do really go for it (Y) hmmmmmmmmmmm speed is the other problem.... the faster u go the more scary it is!!!! ah well.... i guess ill just find a 4ft wall and spend a few hours blasting into it until im up!!!! AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHH!!!!!!!!! hooking is my new summer mission for sure! it would open up so much more stuff to ride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totaltrials Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 It'll just click one day, as rossi said, you just gotta glance the front wheel over the top of the wall, if you hop too high and come down onto the wall, it wont work. Both wheels hit at exactly the same, and if you hit them at the same time, your forks will flex, you keep your front brake on, your body should be close to your bike and you should try and land with your weight forward, so you are ready for flicking it up. When I do them now, I can actually hook then hardly move my body, just hook it up and role away ontop of the wall, cos when you get your bogy and weight in the right place and put your bike where it should be when you hook it will get easier. Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 8 blue palletes ius about right.. to learn it on ← aaaahhhh f**k metric, or even imperial - the magical world of blue pallet measuring has arrived. However I will be forever stuck in the past with the personalized I.B.N.H measurement (Inches Below Nipple Height). in this case im thinking a measurement of -ve a few is a good start . I think ive got the same problem as everyone else . . . . bunnyhopping too high as i always hit my front foot on top - no matter how hard i try. but ive found a great new practice ground so - when me arms fixed i will be learning them - as it is abit lame not to be able to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChai Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 the tip i normally give to people is instead of riding into it and jumping gap, try to do a rollin gap into the wall. it should be around that kinda pace and becos ur doin a gap u dont really tuck ur bike but just bang two wheels into the wall which would mean that ur bady weight would be up and over the bars, instead of being tucked backwards in effort to get the back wheel high enough. i hope u know what i mena.. thats how i learnt it and got it right quite consistant... (Y) hope it helps.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 dont learn them the cheating bunnyhoping way, pedal into it like a man! (Y)" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aust Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 dont learn them the cheating bunnyhoping way, pedal into it like a man! :(" ← well said (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 I can't hook, never tried, i have the old lite-guys anyway so it's probably for the best. It's one of those moves that you just have to go for, you can't take it bit by bit, and i haven't got the balls just to fly at a wall and hope for the best. (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prawny Baby Posted April 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 righty then..... it looks like its a case of all out at the wall, and smash the back wheel into it low down and bounce up (Y)(Y):S ill give it a shot when i find an appropriate wall..... one question: i live in a small gay village, and the highest wall i can ride is about 46'', i can backwheel it when needed.... is this too low to start learning hooks on?am i always going to hit it too high being a low wall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChai Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 its harder to start on a low wall, my first hook was 8 pallets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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