matthewholdsworth Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 anyone see how this frame could be the hybrid offspring of the coust frame and a koxx levelboss, or is it just me? hope u dont mind me using this pic tart?? :blink:" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 No worries man, bandwidth is already dead anyway :blink: Looks like its all Coust to me, apart from seat stays and seat tube. Im pretty sure its the same factory. Same 7005 material. The weight would indicate the tubing is thicker, however. Edit: And as Mark said, the 'long and low' thing is what has come out of ye olde Levelboss... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Er, basically, every frame "stands on the shoulders of giants", as it were. The Levelboss design suited people properly well, so the "long and low" design took off. That's just being evolved, pretty much, so obviously Kot thought that that method of tube configuration worked. It's pretty obvious when you think about it that it's going to have design cues from other frames; the CNC'd BB area makes sense, and but it's already been used I suppose. However, I'd rather had a frame that used the best bits from other frames than one that was shonky 'cos they didn't use 'em. That isn't having a go at you, by the way, it's just that the whole "long/low/silver" slaters doing their "That frame's a copy of ______" is getting a bit ridiculous, like calling the Cortina monstrosity similar to the Python because it didn't have a straight-up seat-tube :blink: Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewholdsworth Posted April 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 i agree with u mark, ur goin to get the best frame if u take off others. i dont dislike long/low/silver bikes, even though mine is short and burgundy! evolution, it how humans got to be what we are today, taking the best bits of our ancestors. blimey that was very darwinesque of me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee_Buchanan Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 what isnt copied these days.... companys come up with good ideas and some one will always steal it and copy it... Piss poor if you ask me.. Lee P.s Looks a oreet frame though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 what isnt copied these days.... companys come up with good ideas and some one will always steal it and copy it... Piss poor if you ask me.. Lee P.s Looks a oreet frame though ← But the thing is is would you rather ride a frame with a not-as-good 'standard' BB section, or one with a blatantly stronger CNC'd one? Would you rather ride a bike with more stand-over height, or a really high top-tube 'cos everyone else does low-tubes? It's their own design, they've just used proven ideas to do it. I don't really see what the fuss is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aust Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 it may look like a coust and a levelboss... but it sure as hell doesnt ride like a levelboss... fecking mint to ride :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aust Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 i think its mroe of a caisso... but ive been told by adam that he was aiming for the geo of a vinco but slightly less over the top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 oh my god so e copied da vinco? :( Who cares, really. Looks like a nice frame, for not too much money. Top banana :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseytrial Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Na its not copied from the vinco!!!!!!!!!! :blink: but heres the geo:http://www.esprittrial.com/ Why does every one say copy copy copy. This frame is orginal. check out these pictures >>> http://www.toxsin.co.uk/factory.html Also when I see the state of the welds on a 400 odd quid caisso frame I laff!! adam :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE-0 Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 You lot do really make some weird comparisons to other bikes. In my opinoin its definetly a copy of the BT aven 5.0 or maybe 4.0 in geometry. There are alot deferent parts e.g. gussets etc but lots pretty much the same. I like the seat gussets and the chainstays. Does anyone happen to own yet i wonder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aust Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 i ride for toxsin now.... they are mint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Manning Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 i ride for toxsin now.... they are mint ← course your gonna say that, you flipping ride their frame! :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aust Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 shutup..... why would i ride for them if they where shit ???? exactly.. fool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotchDave Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 (edited) Cos they offered you more money? :(" :) EDIT Spellage. Edited April 16, 2005 by div Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aust Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 (edited) people rarely get paid to ride for a company... the only people i know who get paid are the martyn's and akrigg... and thats it !!! the only way to earn money from it is by doing demos Edited April 16, 2005 by aust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotchDave Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 I know, I know I was just making a point. :(" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aust Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 how can you make a point when what youre saying is a complete and utter lie and you know ???:( confusing boy :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotchDave Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Trust me, there is a point in there somewhere, but my fried mind can't remember what it was. Damn exams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watson© Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 But the thing is is would you rather ride a frame with a not-as-good 'standard' BB section, or one with a blatantly stronger CNC'd one? Would you rather ride a bike with more stand-over height, or a really high top-tube 'cos everyone else does low-tubes? It's their own design, they've just used proven ideas to do it. I don't really see what the fuss is? ← Listen to this man... Mark knows what hes talking about... I agree 110% :) :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philking Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Exactly what Mark said - If its a good idea which people like it will catch on and there will be demand for it. All these people saying, ''oh, long low and silver, how crap'' are just being stupid. i mean seriously, if they were all crap designs then people wouldn't use them. And thats why all the popular, well designed frames have been "copied" by other manufacturers. Its because they are good, and the design is what is progressing the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseytrial Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Yo mark ! well said :( By the way ... can I just tell every one >>> Austin doe not ride for toxsin, but rides a toxsin :) hhhhaaahah U know they are sweet :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewholdsworth Posted April 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 very similar to the raven too. not that i meant to spark controversy it was late ish and my tired eyes saw two different frames when i looked! whats the wheelbase designed to be on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Shaw Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 whats the wheelbase designed to be on it? ← 1085mm although mine is 1090 with Echo Urban forks :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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