Olly C Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 Right alot of you out there seem to have Pythons and I've always though it was the best mod frame out, so finally I've got one to try out. Built it up the first day, proper pimped out spec and everything, get out to ride and... well it feels crap incomparason to my T-Pro. It didn't feel "super long" like I expected it just felt harder to do stuff on, harder to pull up, harder to keep up (unless properly on back wheel) not alot better for "to front wheel" stuff as I thought it might be and no instant impression on my riding, except loosing everything I like to do >_< What were you all like when you first got it and how have you gotten on with it since? I've had mine a week now and have been suffering shoulder pains something cronic and although I've gotten slightly more used to it it still hurt and its still hard to do most stuff on. All in all im fairly dissapointed in the frame so far (N) So I wanna hear your thoughts and also riding style and height (Im 6ft 1) Cheers Olly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamHolmes Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 Mine felt considerably better from first time I went on it It was harder to backwheel things but Ive learnt to now Sidehopes and gaps feel alot better and it feels good when on the backwheel >_< Sam (N) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChai Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 try having riser bars further forward? works for me >_< goin longer was definatly a good move and i am only 5.5ft... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CH!P Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 Already told you Olly, short bike's is where it's at >_< Mabye give it a month, might just take abit longer than you thought to get used to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SQuiT-man Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 Mmmmm I love my monty 221 I changed to from my tpro, with its 980 wheelbase. Lol. Great on the backwheel, sidehops awesome, gaps great and manuals like a bmx! Its improved my riding in the week Ive had it! But joking apart, Im sure you will get used to the python when you ride it more and more, and will grow to love its geo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<<(Tom_182)>> Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 I when from a 02 gold monty 221 X-lite to 05 python I found it a lot better. I can side hope better I can switch/transfer a lot better is seam a lot more easer than me old Monty 221 Front hooks better, not that I can do them that well Front taps to back wheel slightly better than me Monty I think Gaps to back wheel, no harder no easer. Got well longer cranks 175mm now n me gear is the same but the longer cranks make it feel easer think I would prefer 170 or 165 cranks I think but they don’t do the UCI Tensile in them lengths Gaps to front wheel better I can hop about on natural better and in general just feels better >_< I have the zoo bars and stem. I think the stem needs more rise and length though. Going to try with a longer and higher stem and see if it rides even better. Anyone else thinks this or tried it and is better? Thanks Tom A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<<(Tom_182)>> Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 Oh yeah Iv got the Yao Zhi 1005 one not the CLS model Tom A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai the Socket Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 I've got the Python CLS version. Had a T-Pro before that too >_< First thing I noticed. Mega harder to pedal. I've got monty cranks (158mm though) and now i'm just about to fit a 13t rear cog to my profile at the back, hopefully making it a little better!! It didn't feel to ride very nice once I got it. I was uber sketchy and couldn't really control it THAT much but it wasn't TOO bad compared to my T-Pro. I've had it 3 months now, just over maybe, and I'm about 90% to grips with it. It's much nicer to gap, frontwheel stuff, backwheel stuff, frontwheel transfer, sidehop. Everything, it's nicer. I had back pains when i first started riding it, and i'm just about 6ft now. They go! Trust me. You'll get used to it. And it'll ride nicer once you've got used to it. Hope i helped. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly C Posted April 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 Trust me. You'll get used to it. And it'll ride nicer once you've got used to it. ← I hope so (N) The other day I actually got so annoyed I just threw the bike as far as I could. I never throw my bike never have before as it cost's alot to repair and is silly to do, but it got to me that bad, I'd already kicked it and rolled it away hard aswell. It gets me soo angry. We'll see how it feels tomorrow in cambridge hopefully It'll make it back with me and not end up in some river. >_< Cheers for the replies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai the Socket Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 It will. Keep at it. It was the same with me. I was so pissed off I told my girlfriend I was quitting! I took 2 weeks out after 2 months and then went back fresh. It made loads of difference. Catch me on about about it (N) nick >_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SQuiT-man Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 How about changing ur stem geometry? Can make a lot of difference! Try a higher or longer stem, I find that higher stems feel much nicer than a low front end and allow you to sidehop higher easier, but they restrict gapping and hooking a bit. I think on a python, a viz stem with zoo bars would be my personal choice, you can get away with the higher bars more easily on a longer bike, because proportionally, it doesnt make so much of a difference in restricting your movement for gapping and hooks. Hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai the Socket Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 I think on a python, a viz stem with zoo bars would be my personal choice, you can get away with the higher bars more easily on a longer bike, because proportionally, it doesnt make so much of a difference in restricting your movement for gapping and hooks. Hope this helps ← Woo i've got viz stem and Zoo bars >_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 Il tell you what olly il swap my levelboss for it (N)" was worth a try >_< pinky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 (edited) The reason its harder to get pull up is that you are overall getting your bodyweight higher. Over all its better, as now your bodyweight is higher. The best way to think about it is thinking about gears on a MTB. Yes the higher gears are harder to pedal, but you go loads faster. Its the same priceaple. I personly dont think that frame geo is that important, and you gain advantages, but you also get dissadvantages. For example, if you went from a monty to a python, you loose the monoverability, but with the python you get the kick from the length. So which ever you have, you'll be able to sidehop the same hight. You'll get used to it don't worry. Hope that all makes sence. Edited April 9, 2005 by JT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisa Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 I was under the impression of the Python having quite long rear stays? Same length as the Pitbull I think? I think this may give the bike more of a stable stock like ride, less twitchy than a traditional mod. This is most likely what you have came up against, the feeling you have on the bike could it be comparable to a stock? Once you get out of the way of riding a twitchy mod and used to the VERY different geo you will probably get on with it very well.. Hope you do, good luck >_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan@Trials-uk Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 Hey Ive got Viz stem and zoo bars, and a couple of washers, and it feels a hell lot nicer. you can also try getting 170mm cranks (which I have now) and the bike will be alot easier to bring up etc.. because your lower down on the bike, and with longer cranks, theres more leverage to kick to bring the bike up. :unsure: Here's Mine Regards Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly C Posted April 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Well at the moment Im running the low Zoo! stem and black monty risers.. so I thought that would be higher than what CLS's must be running zoo and zoo. I have a high rise megamo stem and onza stem in my spares so I may try one of those on after today just to see if the hieght makes any difference for me. I really dont want to change bars, *Starts girl from budwiser adverts voice* "zoo ones are ok, monty ones just feel better" */Ends Voice* :unsure: The stem issue I'll have to look into, but if you check out my spec I'd say bar and stem and maybe Mr. Ko's crank suggestion could be the problem. We'll see.. Cheers Guys Also the whole 375mm stays thing is probably a BIG issue to that I'll just have to get used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsking 55 Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 i have a ti and i love it for it maniouverability and it's flickiness and it's just perfect for me as i feel very in control when riding it. the only thing i really like when i go on pythons is that it feel easier to kick up stuff. maybe thats got some thing to do with the fact that my freewheels almost dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisRider Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 ok firstly i dont ride a python im a stock rider that dabbles with a mod occasionally not long ago i had a go on andy chais python copy (i dunno how much difference there is between them and the real ones) but his felt immense, it was feckin lovely-i couldnt fault it at all (well except drilled out levers but thats differing from the point) anyways talk to him about his setup-i believe he has a viz stem and bar combo i know im a stock rider and thats probably why the bike felt good to me o and generally when moving from a shorter bike to a longer bike you will experince pains-im assuming thats due to the muscles being worked in a different way? give it time, itll pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyJames Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Im reasured other people found the bike dificult at first because I sure as hell did. Blunts were wank, bunnyhops out of the window and sidehops scary but that was only because I wasn't use to it. Now after riding for a good three weeks with my CLS Python she and I are nearly perfectly in tune. Still can't bunnyhop but I'm not bothered when gaps, sidehops, blunts and swaps are all very nice. Guy :unsure: Trust, you will get use to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burton Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 i never had any pains :unsure: everything improved...just took time... gaps, sidehops, sidehop to back wheel, gaps to front wheel, wheely hops, wheel swaps were better straight away..... back wheeling took some more time but has got better. try a higher bar and stem....the zoo! stem is very low...try some stackers under it (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai the Socket Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 Yeah the Zoo! stem is uber low. I've got a V!Z one and it's pretty decent :unsure: Backwheels take quite a wheel to get spot on 'cos it's so damn long but like Danny said, after 2 months + I can do everything better and yesterdays' riding session was even better than before. It makes gapping over stuff really easy!! Also with the extra length wheel swaps and frontwheel stuff is much easier. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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