Stephen Morris Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 I would be really interested to hear why people didn't go, cos I cant work it out. Its close to a train station so it cant be that out of reach← I didn't go for many reasons. Firstly I saw the video for the first event that you did, and I was unimpressed. It just didn't look like the sort of event I wanted to go to. I wont go into the finer details unless you want me to, but I'd have much rather ridden a new location that I haven't ridden before than the pallets and benches I saw on the video. You seem to be annoyed that so many people didn't turn up, but I think you need to sort your geography skills out. For a start, Wales has a population of about 3 million people. That's a 20th of the population of Britain. Yes North Wales isn't too far from Liverpool and Manchester, but bear in mind that a very large population of people (I don't have the statistic) live in the South East of England. That means that a good portion of the riders in this country live at least 3 or 4 hours away, and that's by car. You say that it takes whatever by train from London, well I'm afraid people don't live in train stations, they have to get there, which can take over an hour in itself. What I'm basically trying to say is that you live in North Wales, you can never expect a lot of people from the south east to come along, because its a very long way. Plus lets be fair, not everybody can drive - by train, a trip to Wales from the South East is a very long one. I can see why you're annoyed, and well done for all this effort you've gone to. However, if you're going to come online and point the finger, then you should consider the fact that a lot of people in this country live a long way away from your event. I personally didn't come because it didn't look like it was worth the trip. Even if I lived an hour away I probably wouldn't have bothered. Have you ever ridden London? Some of the best street in the country, if not the best. As far as I'm concerned there's no reason why you shouldn't come to London to ride... oh yeah that's right I live close by so it's easy for me to get there. Apologies for this mass of text that makes no real sense, but I feel it's wrong to accuse people of being lazy and glued to the Internet just because they didn't go to your event. You can't make people feel guilty for not going by saying they should "support the event", because they might not want to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 i dont think we should be arguing against what tom is saying, i know that he put a shit load of effort into this and is very frustrated about the low turnout. dont argue with tom or put him down as he just doesent need it! he knows what to do for the next event, if it does go ahead. im sure some of us locals can come up with some sort of event or comp if tom doesent want to do anymore. anyways, cheers. Will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisa Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Everything Stephen said with an extra " IF YOUR WOMAN LEAVE YOU ITS YOUR FAULT " don't go shifting the blame of you f**king up your studies and relationship because of the event. It makes you look very pathetic. I very much doubt you got millions of letters at the start from the mass of TF to start organizing events. You done it on your own accord and fair enough people turned up the first time, It was new then. People tried it out and heaven forbid maybe they didn't like it. People don't always tell you straight, it was shite. I'm not going. A lot of people will let you organize it then not turn up with an excuse. Everyone gets let down at sometime. Just have to take the rough with the smooth. 4 hours to get to somewhere for an few hours riding in something that you can do in your own area wouldn't appeal to me in the slightest. Infact I live in Northern Ireland and I bet I could get there quicker and with less hassle than a lot of the people you expect to come but would just think, no is it really worth the expense/effort. Would you just on train for 4-5 hours to get to say London and sample some of the riding Stephen mentioned above? If you say yes your lying. Awaiting slating from all of TF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 4 hours to get to somewhere for an few hours riding in something that you can do in your own area wouldn't appeal to me in the slightest. ← it wasnt a few hours riding, it was an all weekend event, starting from friday. and 4 hours travelling would be well worth it! just go and watch the vid leedstrials put up! Will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Thing is, no-one is obliged to come to your events. You gotta make people come by making it a good event. Fair enough you've put a lot of effort in, and you should definitely be applauded for doing that, but if you want to make a success of it, you'll have to make it more appealing to people. And as has already been said, North Wales is a bad place to have it. Realisticly, how many people are gonna travel 4 hours each way to get to it? Hardly any. Easter is a bad day to have it - People have other commitments with family, or maybe they're away on holiday etc. Although I do agree that it's shit when people say they're gonna come and don't - A bit like the DJ T-shirt thing. Either you have to give up now, which would be a shame after all the hard work, or you write this one off as a mistake and set about making a great event that people will want to come to. (like tim's sick 360 tap up that gap! *bows down*) ← Er what? :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai the Socket Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 it wasnt a few hours riding, it was an all weekend event, starting from friday. and 4 hours travelling would be well worth it! just go and watch the vid leedstrials put up! Will ← To be fair after watching the vid I do wish I'd of gone. Money matters and my bike breaking at the time didn't help. Also we were very unorganised and My parents already planned to go away and didn't want the house left un-attended :unsure: Should be at the next one if it's planned well ahead. In the summer maybe? Big turnouts are fun. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Lets all calm down. I was simply saying to not let one bad event put him off. Tom, yes that bit was harsh, however, that bit was nicely packed around a big other post, hence making that bit you decided to quote not harsh, if you read the rest, which you obviously did :unsure: But yes, i have to mostly agree with Stephen. The women problems i can understand, but honestly, if the event is putting that much pressure on your relationship and college, then your trying to hard. (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmike Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 (edited) Er what? :unsure: ← Foot high narrow beam, then 5 1/2 foot gap, with one foot up (like so) Rolling along very fast, 180 bunny hop up to the beam, then 180 back up to the pallet. (5 1/2 foot gap) I'm just downloading the video Judders has put up, i'll see if it's on that. (Y) Edit: Yeah, it is. Get that vid, some crazy lines nailed by tim (and everyone else!! (Y)) Yeah, Tom, as others have said, it was a mint comp, and it's such a great format. Would you just on train for 4-5 hours to get to say London and sample some of the riding Stephen mentioned above? If you say yes your lying. ← Urr, i would. I (+ many others) have spent a lot longer than that getting to places to ride. I'm sure it's not for everyone, but having the opportunity to travel to new places, to experience different things is a real bonus for me, i love travelling, so I personally don't see the 9hr round trip (in one day!) to the wales comp such a problem! Took me 14 hours to get to koxx days the other week, i enjoyed every minute of it. Obviously enjoying travelling doesn't suit everyone, but it would be more fun for everyone if people did make an effort, not just to come to these indoor events, but everywhere. :S Tom, don't stop these comps, i'm sure there are people that will be willing to help, leaving you with the satisfaction you've created something awesome, but also the time and energy to fulfill your relationship and educational work! As a lot of people have said, it wasn't the best weekend, but with koxx days and the bike show either side of it, the Jam, and the Hampshire/Essex comp (can't remember which) at the same time, it's never going to have a brilliant turnout. Stick with it mate, you're onto something good here. Mike. :) Edited March 30, 2005 by fatmike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 It means dick all now, but having seen that video I wish I'd have gone. The only problem for me is that I run our local bike shop on my own on Saturdays, so I can't really get time off. I'd already booked a weekend off for the BikeShow, so I couldn't really have two in a row. The main thing for me is that I'm shit, really, so I didn't really want to have to go and ride in a 'comp' against other riders. If I could've gone, I'd definitely have made it up for the Saturday - assuming I could actually get transport up there - 'cos it looked like a rocking course, but as it goes it just didn't happen. I suppose the timing was bad, but yeah, try and sort stuff out with your girlfriend I guess. The thing is is that this event was always going to look bad relative to the last one, just 'cos the last one went off so well. You had a shitload of riders there, and it was going to be a tough act to follow. My band played a freaking blinding set at a gig a while back, and it was super cool. Everyone was up for it and stuff. The next weekend we played in a different town, and we played to the same standard but it just didn't feel as nice 'cos the crowd was smaller and it was just that we all had fresh memories of the awesome gig before. It's a similar thing to this I'm guessing - the first was ultra good, and the second was still good but not quite as big as the first. Don't let it put you off though. It seems sketchy that your girlfriend's a bit arsey about it, but I guess none of us have a full idea of how much time you put into this behind-the-scenes and how it would affect other people. It's sketchy that people who could've gone there easily didn't, but that's life/people I suppose. Make the most of this event; learn from it and it'll have served it's purpose, really. Take the good points, and apply them to the next one (if you do one, which you really should :unsure:). Just remember to bear in mind it's the start of the comp season, and people will be having exams soon so possibly won't want to be going across the country to a comp, and it should be cool. If you think about what happened when it was Technique Vs. NASS last year, some people will ride natural comps, but some people will always dig the more 'street' events, so you'll probably still be fine in high season for the comps, really. Thanks for putting it on anyway, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunkey_monkey_boy Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Have you ever ridden London? Some of the best street in the country, if not the best. As far as I'm concerned there's no reason why you shouldn't come to London to ride... oh yeah that's right I live close by so it's easy for me to get there. ← no i haven't riden london for one simple fact - every ride thats been organised has clashed with something else i'm doing. if you wana meet up and ride london i'll see you at euston train station at 10.30am one morning in a few weeks time... i'm not having a go at those who live a long way away, i'm pissed with the locals and those from the midlands/north west who siad they were coming and then pulled out! if an indoor event isn't your things thats cool, i'm not asking you to come, what i am doping is asking people to have the decency to turn up when they book a place or at least call me to cancel the place they've booked... so yeah london, i'm up for it. i'll look in my diary and find a free weekend, see you in the big town donw south sometime soon :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunkey_monkey_boy Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Everything Stephen said with an extra " IF YOUR WOMAN LEAVE YOU ITS YOUR FAULT " don't go shifting the blame of you f**king up your studies and relationship because of the event. It makes you look very pathetic. ← i'm not blaming any of you for the shit above, i'm trying to make it clear what i have put into this event and how many sacrifices i have to make. i dont really give a shit if you think i'm pathetic because you dont know me. oh yeah and london ride, i'm up for it, infact you wana ride dublin too? if you don't think i'd travel for a london ride then you show up and i'll see you there :unsure: stop mouthing off and try to understand where i coming from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robonatomz Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 i wanted to come, even the missus was up for cummin with me but sadly this weekend iv been injured so aint rode a thing, with wheels anyway! gotta rest, its so borin. ridin at essex trial at weekend thow. rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisa Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Dublins too far away :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Why is it so many people can get to the bike show but not to this? I wanted to cum, but i decided to see my gf. :unsure: arnt i sensible. Id say ur better sticking with having the events in winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipsy Jock Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 i'm the first to admit the weekend i chose was not my first choice but you look at the events callendar for this time of year!!! the turn out to this event was so bad i am seriously considering whether its worth running another one, the only reason i'm still considering carrying on is becasue some people have paid up for club membership... my girlfriend sounds pretty close to leaving me and it is 100% because of the event i organised, i have neglected her and not seen her so much over the last 2 months because i've put so much time into the event for what? i know i'm not on all you door steps and theres no trains into llandudno on a sunday but there is a connecting bus from the junction that you can take your bike on and christ how difficult is it for people to get here? we're 2 hours from liverpool and manchester, 2 and a half from leeds, birmingham and the rest of the midlands and only 3 and a half from london! come on people put some effort in. what really gets me down is that locally we do have quite a few riders, there are 4 on anglesea, 5 in bangor, 3+ in rhyl a couple down the valley and about 8-10 really local. how many turned up to help dismantle the sections? 3, including me!!! as of now i am not planning another event, if any of the other club members want to then i will support them regardless of the format but i have decided that its not worth the effort i put in, i am now loggin off and forgetting about trials events so i can go and patch up my relationship with my girlfriend and get the grades i need in college, if you want future events then show the support. tom ps: huge thanks to all those who did actually turn up :unsure: ← Not having a go tom, but felt i had to make a few points. Firstly the 5 in Bangor, we would all have been there had we been at uni that wknd. I was really looking forward to the event but i couldn't make it due to being down here and having work friday, saturday and monday! lol I do show the support, i gave up my house for people to crash at last time and helped build the sections, Matt had his house ruined by the party and had to tidy up before he could go ride ogwen, and Tim spent £40 on booze for you guys to drink at the party. I think its safe to say we do our best to show our support for these events. Rant over and gd luck with the next one!! will be looking forward to it Pete (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsking 55 Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 also, its not one bad event putting me off its the attitude of most of the local riders and the fact that i have pretty much destroyed my 2 year relationship with my girlfriend because of my involvement with these events. i can deal with the poor turn out, i wasn't expecting the same turn out as last time but what really gets me is the locals and the fact they don't seem to give a shit what i've put into this. i'm not organising another event until i've got my life back on track, currently i could be about to lose my girlfriend and i have a college course to pass... ← if your only annoyed at the locals why are you ranting at everyone else? and also what simon said is true about the date and everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 its so obvious to see that the day you chose to hold the event was a bad one. sunday, easter day (when trains arent running to llandudno) is not a good time to put it on, thats the reason for people not turning up and thats the reason it wasn't as sucessfull as it could be. you chose a bad day to hold it, seemed to forget about this and jumped to the next stage of organising it. now your making us all feel guilty for not turning up! thats how i see it anyway. and your talking it out on the locals, we did help alot with the setting up of the event, didn't we? anyways, sorry to sound harsh :unsure: Will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Gonna close this, seeing as it's well out of hand. Yes, people didn't turn up. People who could've done also chose not to for other reasons. It was a case of poor timing, but I can see why you were pressed for time, really, if you wanted to put one on so soon. Anyway, yeah. Personally grievances over MSN/PM's, not in threads on the forum. Thanks for organising them anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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