OnzaNewbie Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I've been looking at buying a echo team, but I never really have much money to spend on bikes parts. Can someone please give me the good and the bad points on each frame. How much can I get a python copy for?? Cheers Marc (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwannaleeson! Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 as far as i know, the python copy frame (black dog (Y) ) is 160 from dan ko and i think some other dude on the forum. I should have thought they are nice frames seein as they are basically a python! I on the other hand have an echo team and i love the damn thing! its the 1030mm version so its shorter than a python but that makes it easier to throw about and better for natural i find (Y) As far as money goes i would probably go for the python copy but i have to say the team is a great bike for anyone and looks the nads! (A) really comes down to your choice and how much your willin to fork out! (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Make Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I would spend bit more to get the Echo. Ultra6 aluminium that is. Much more pro(ish) than some Black Mamba that almost every one seems to have. It's a real thing. Looks much better too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nb88 Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Echo team definatly (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b'mouth trials Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I would go with the echo, looks alot better imo! Azza (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomN Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Echo Team, feels nicer on the backwheel. Find it more flickable then the P Copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicH_87 Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 hahaha TEAM no question. everything i've heard about the 'Black Mumba' has been pretty neutral. Some hate it, some say its ok, but no one has said they love it. The team is a well known, tried and tested frame, and the new one has the bonus of being the sexiest mod frame ever. (Y) (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMunn Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Echo team ! The team is a well known, tried and tested frame, and the new one has the bonus of being the sexiest mod frame ever. So true ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardman Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Seeing a I just bought a Team Im biased. Its such a good frame and when built up it rides super nice. The 362mm chainstays make it easy to get to its balance pioint and it stays there. The longer wheelbase /front end allows for more leverage and gapping is a lot easier. Its still as flickable as a shorter bike and now Im used to it (2weeks roughly on and off) Im back to my old ways of the Monty. So I am a happy bunny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burton Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 the proper python,05 un, has 375mm chain stays. same as the pitbull (Y) (Y) if the python copy thing, rides like the new python, then get that. but the echo teams are ment to be really flicky and nice..... so (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomN Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Am sure that these Black Dogs/Mumba are copys of the Python 04. But anyway boh are still nice to ride and you'll be getting your moneys worth. (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Make Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 the proper python,05 un, has 375mm chain stays. same as the pitbull :blink: ← How do you find longer rear end to feel? Just for curiosity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burton Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 ace for step downs. it never wants to loop out. nice and stable, but still flicky :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Make Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 ace for step downs. it never wants to loop out. nice and stable, but still flicky :blink: ← Sounds nice! I'm getting mine with out testing... It arrives 'till next wednesday... How does it feel on the back wheel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnzaNewbie Posted February 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 I would buy the 05 zoo! python But I want a bash plate, damn 05 not having a bash plate :blink: Marc :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*OnzaMike* Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 I would buy the 05 zoo! python But I want a bash plate, damn 05 not having a bash plate :blink: Marc :) ← Thats exactly what i thought when i found out they didnt have bashplates. The black mumba is a great frame, for price, etc as long as u can solve all the problems with it.. the echo team is nice also, but is over double the price so choice is yours :P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardman Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 as far as i know, the python copy frame (black dog (Y) ) is 160 from dan ko and i think some other dude on the forum. I should have thought they are nice frames seein as they are basically a python! I on the other hand have an echo team and i love the damn thing! its the 1030mm version so its shorter than a python but that makes it easier to throw about and better for natural i find :) As far as money goes i would probably go for the python copy but i have to say the team is a great bike for anyone and looks the nads! :) really comes down to your choice and how much your willin to fork out! :) ← My Echo Team is now got a 1050 wheelbase yet it remains as flicakble as ever, I still enjoy my streety style moves and Ive finally got it to its balance point to bunnyhop ad hoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burton Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 My Echo Team is now got a 1050 wheelbase yet it remains as flicakble as ever, I still enjoy my streety style moves and Ive finally got it to its balance point to bunnyhop ad hoon ← :) how? with the team forks its ment to be 1033 wb. (Y) what do the chain stays measure in at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 hardman, could u post some pictures please? (Y) Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardman Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 (edited) Have no camera right now only one pic on pinkbike ill have a look. I measured it at 1045 but I a knob with measurements, my brother is looking to buy an 05 Team so he measured mine and it came out as 1050. I have the new team forks they have so much rake its stupid and this is compared to the older team forks. the chainstay measurement is about 365 as I have it tensioned a little bit. I have a measurent f that later. Had a remeasure: Wheelbase is indeed 1050mm Chainstay length with my rear wheel tensioned is 369mm Edited February 26, 2005 by Michael Hardman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Booth Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 IMO get the team, Such a nice frame, But as people have said the black dog/python copies are based on the python, o possibly very nice. But does the price of the black dog reflect the quality of manufacture, warrenty, and metal qualities? where as the more expensive team has proven capabilities and a 1 year warrenty. But still, the choice is yours! Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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