SQuiT-man Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Hi there! Im really tempted to get a black mamba (or whateva they are called) copy Zoo! python frame, because Im a poor cheapskate, but I liek to do manuals, etc a lot. I ride a t-pro atm and i find that fine for manuals, so I wondered how the python rides for street in general? All i know is it has slightly longer chainstays (better for manuals than my t-pro) but it has a fair bit longer front end too (worse for manuals). Do the copys ride similarly as nice as the real thing? Cheers, Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendee Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 how are longer chainstays better for manuals? anyway you can manual anybike its just getting the balancing point witch will more than likely feel weird as f**k on the longer frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 how are longer chainstays better for manuals? ← because longer shainstays = more stable on the back wheel. shorter ones meant it is well twitchy and the ballancing point is harder to stay with. Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Make Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 (edited) because longer shainstays = more stable on the back wheel. shorter ones meant it is well twitchy and the ballancing point is harder to stay with. Will ← Well mister T. If a bike has shorter (sub 385mm) chain stays it will be easier to pull bike to manual... so it is kinda +- 0 . Edited January 21, 2005 by Da Make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eMAyaRKay Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 You can't base how a bike will feel/react when you manual based on the length of the chainstays, it's the complete bike. The whole geometery and how the bike is set up, such as the stem rise, bars e.t.c. Sometimes bikes will feel really poo to do a certain move and it is all down to one specific, like the stem as i said for an example, being to long/short/rise e.t.c I'm sure the python copy will be fine for manualing as long as you get it set up right for you, obviously it will be weird at fist as the set up and geometery will be different but you'll get used to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Make Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Thanks waki, that's all about it. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SQuiT-man Posted January 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 OK people thanks for your help. Well longer chainstays (in comparaison to the length of the front of the bike) mean the bike "loops out" slower, so less reaction time is needed to make adjustments to balance the manual. Can anyone who has a python or replica manual it? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 I can very easy, although my bars are way back for me to be able to bunny. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roozor Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Are the python copys as strong and most importantly as light? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartridge Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Are the python copys as strong and most importantly as light? ← Theyre 7005 instead of U6. So, basically, if theyre as strong they wont be as light. And if theyre as light, they wont be as strong. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roozor Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Theyre 7005 instead of U6. So, basically, if theyre as strong they wont be as light. And if theyre as light, they wont be as strong. :blink: ← Whats the weight difference like, will i notice it a lot from my t-pro 2004? Thinking about getting a poothon copy and transfering all the bits across, or a monty ti frame :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamHolmes Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 I can manual my ZOO! python CLS pretty well :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 because longer shainstays = more stable on the back wheel. shorter ones meant it is well twitchy and the ballancing point is harder to stay with. Will ← bullshit!!!!! sorry mate but thats shite. any bike can be manualled FACT! i managed to manual a coust on the end of the roadtrip 04 video. i can manual my BMX for miles and also my ashton. ive manualled handsomedogs, echo pures, Ashton ET's everything. its easy once you have found the balance point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich4130 Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 bullshit!!!!! sorry mate but thats shite. any bike can be manualled FACT! i managed to manual a coust on the end of the roadtrip 04 video. i can manual my BMX for miles and also my ashton. ive manualled handsomedogs, echo pures, Ashton ET's everything. its easy once you have found the balance point. ← Yea, but your good lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave85 Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Calm down Bucky, all he said is that some are more difficult than others, thats all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montybiketrial Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 bullshit!!!!! sorry mate but thats shite. any bike can be manualled FACT! i managed to manual a coust on the end of the roadtrip 04 video. i can manual my BMX for miles and also my ashton. ive manualled handsomedogs, echo pures, Ashton ET's everything. its easy once you have found the balance point. ← Totally agree... Once you can do it on one bike, it doesn't take long to do it on any other bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halliday Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 i find mine a peice of piss to manuel. ull just get used to it, there not loads different to the tpro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Drewery Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 I run a levelboss 1065 with brisa bar and stem and i can manual it for ages, go for the python, you'll just have to get used to it (N) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickycoleman Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 okay, ithought wouldnt start a new topic, so can any one tel me if its worth upgrading to a black mambe from a t-pro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunkey_monkey_boy Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 i'm not agreeing with alot of people on here, i can manual my specialized enduro sx like a beast and i can manual my street bike ok (short chainstays makes it loop out too qucik) but no matter how much i tried i couldn't manual my t-pro so i don't agree that if you can manual one you can manual them all, sure it'll be easier to re learn if you could do it in the first place but thats it... mid length chainstays, not too short so it don't loop out, not too long so you can't get it up >_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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