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further spoke things...

is this legit? thehousebmx spoke length calculator

it gave me 187mm for a homer front on a hazard lite, 4 cross

I've had results from a couple of other spoke calculators saying 185.3 - guess this may be down to them not taking flange fatness into account.

Is the couple of mm going to make a lot of difference?

do I err on the long or short side?

ooh, found this

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don't stereotype please (Y) Some people don't appreciate it...

Also, i noticed talk about spokes... DT swiss, obviously! Alans sell them in any size you want.

I ride bmx if you hadn't of guessed (sorry had to make the blatent point but still). By what you were saying about your mate a while back it's not exactly a lie. Anyway you know i didn't mean you :P

aye I got mine on saturday. it's fun to say the least! :D

but i'm back up in leeds now for ages.

Give us a shout when your back.

Hey poopipe told you it was 184. Even though it says 186 could of meant longer niples :P

Oh the reason i came back here, almost fogot. As spoke before, why don't we have a tf bmx ride? I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to get going, or would it :lol:

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Hey poopipe told you it was 184. Even though it says 186 could of meant longer niples :P

just as well I checked really innit :P

actually - I don't trust any of the information I've been given/found out from the interweb so I've got the nice man at alans to find out for me before they send em out.

how many times do you reckon I should try to lace it before giving up and handing it over to a professional ?

I'll come on a ride but I need at least a weeks notice and signed statements from those present that they won't laugh at me

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Just get a decent guide and work slowly and methodically through it. There's really nothing to building wheels, it's just following the simple steps. It's way easier than you think it is, just give it a crack. If you f**k it up 3 or 4 times it probably means you're a 'tard and therefore need to give it to someone to do, but from simply following a guide on the internet I built my first one and haven't really f**ked up any wheels since, and I taught my brother to do it and he hasn't f**ked any up either. It's really not that bad (Y)

Regarding spoke lengths, a couple of mm either way isn't a big deal. I had to get spokes that were 2mm too short for my front wheel and it didn't matter, and I used spokes that were over 10mm too long for my back trials wheel before, and apart from taking the majority of my adult life to get them up to tension, they worked OK. The precision of them is just to help make it a little easier to build up right (and to dish a wheel correctly if it needs it, e.g. a MTB rear wheel).

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where was it that had the parkinson frames on sale? i've made a big mother dent in my old parkinsons downtube and the toptube is getting curved...new frame time for pauly it seems

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whilst i'm here....gonna go to a u brake if i get a new frame, cos i just don't need that power now, my styles changed loads, is the evolver still a good brake, or is there much better for the money? gonna run some spanish flies and something like a tech 77?

also feel free to make suggestions on frames, as long as its got similar geo to my current frame (supershort back end)

im liking this alot

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As for the wheel building just follow the Gsport guide. Don't bother with any tension untill your happy you've built it right. Then it's just a case of turning each nipple the same amount pretty much.

I'll come on a ride but I need at least a weeks notice and signed statements from those present that they won't laugh at me

That sounds funny in itself.

Anyhow.. the New Deal seems popular at the moment but dunno anything about how it rides or performs. The geo looks rather nice. Different to your current setup.

The Evolver is still a quality brake for the money. The Fly one is a waste of time at the cost. No flex my ass. Also a good one to look out for is the Magic brake. Simple and cheap. Levers wise, the Tech77 has a nice feel but spongey and the Primo is pretty much perfect just a little expensive.

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Anyhow.. the New Deal seems popular at the moment but dunno anything about how it rides or performs. The geo looks rather nice. Different to your current setup.

The Evolver is still a quality brake for the money. The Fly one is a waste of time at the cost. No flex my ass. Also a good one to look out for is the Magic brake. Simple and cheap. Levers wise, the Tech77 has a nice feel but spongey and the Primo is pretty much perfect just a little expensive.

cheers dude, my mates got an evolver sitting in my shed, think ill be buying it off him :) wheres the magic brake available from? wouldnt mind checking that out

lever wise, i want something as close to my current avid lever (as i have a v brake atm) as i can get but for a u brake, i hate all those stubby levers, hence liking the tech 77, sponge doesn't bother me, as long as i have the power when i need it without having to use my whole hand on the lever (like on my old mono), the primo looks a tadge short?

still lost on frames, hoping to have about 200 by the end of next week cos nowhere seems to have the parkinson frames now, has nobody got any good recommendations?

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this looks a bit of a bargain, any good?

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I like the look of those but if you've killed the parkinson maybe you ought to consider something a bit more on the solid side.

a Sunday perhaps - I'm pretty sure you can still find them at bargain prices (<£100).

I'm generally pretty smooth, just had a one off slip onto my downtube from a rail grind and landed awkwardly. the frames been owned by 4 or 5 people now....shes had a fair bit of abuse in her time i'd imagine and is dented all over :P (mainly from me cos i learnt everyhting on this bike) shes not dead yet, but i just wanna have a frame lined up for when shes folds.

the Parkinson's pretty heavy anyway by modern standards, i think its about 6lbs, so that one i linked seems like it could be good, and for 70quid....thats a ridiculous price for such good frames, however i'm confused as to whether its a treets or a Parkinson? cos it says both names in the title and description?

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cheers dude, my mates got an evolver sitting in my shed, think ill be buying it off him :) wheres the magic brake available from? wouldnt mind checking that out

lever wise, i want something as close to my current avid lever (as i have a v brake atm) as i can get but for a u brake, i hate all those stubby levers, hence liking the tech 77, sponge doesn't bother me, as long as i have the power when i need it without having to use my whole hand on the lever (like on my old mono), the primo looks a tadge short?

still lost on frames, hoping to have about 200 by the end of next week cos nowhere seems to have the parkinson frames now, has nobody got any good recommendations?

EDIT:

this looks a bit of a bargain, any good?

Magic Brake

Lever wise the Primo is very stiff but isn't that short. I prefer it over the Tech77. I have both by the way.

Appears that frame is really actually a Parkinson. Standard weight at 6lbs. But it isn't in stock so i would avoid.

oooo, parkinsons are 95 here

will this bb be ok? its to fit powerbites

annnd what headset do i need? its say campagnlo, but internal headsets confuse me compatibility wise

i think its gonna be between this parkinson or the ultra cheap 70quid treets i linked before....i cant decide, strength or weight weeny? :P

That is the correct size for Powerbites.

This is the headset you need. Which you probably guessed. But it is suppost to be the best internal HS on the market at the moment. Everyone runs them around here and no problems yet. I know it's out of stock but always can get you another link anyway.

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cheers for the link, but i think i'm gonna go for a parkinson again :)

Magic Brake

Lever wise the Primo is very stiff but isn't that short. I prefer it over the Tech77. I have both by the way.

This is the headset you need. Which you probably guessed. But it is suppost to be the best internal HS on the market at the moment. Everyone runs them around here and no problems yet. I know it's out of stock but always can get you another link anyway.

awesome, thanks for your help

would you have a magic brake over an evolver? i think i can get a secondhand evolver for a tenner you see

ill give the primo lever a try, cant do no harm i guess :)

and thanks for clarifying my headset/bb needs, gonna order soon :)

now for the tough bits, colour and tt length, i have a 20.6 currently, but i'm wondering that seeing as i'm 6ft2, that maybe a 21tt would be better for me? i don't struggle with the 20.6 now, spose i got used to it?

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cheers for the link, but i think i'm gonna go for a parkinson again :)

awesome, thanks for your help

would you have a magic brake over an evolver? i think i can get a secondhand evolver for a tenner you see

ill give the primo lever a try, cant do no harm i guess :)

and thanks for clarifying my headset/bb needs, gonna order soon :)

now for the tough bits, colour and tt length, i have a 20.6 currently, but i'm wondering that seeing as i'm 6ft2, that maybe a 21tt would be better for me? i don't struggle with the 20.6 now, spose i got used to it?

Odyssey over the Magic. The Magic is generally a nice and cheap brake. I bought it after not being impressed by the Fly contraption. As for the Evolver i would go for it. Has some nice little things about it. You also should enjoy the Primo lever.

Colour, whatever you want really. Black doesn't really get boring like a red, blue or green does.

20.75 all the way. I haven't really tried anything different for a long period of time. But as for a 21" tt i would definatly stay away from. It just makes the bike feel a little too long.

I'd say 20.6 is probably a nice size. I wouldn't stray anymore from 20.5 and 20.8 to be safe.

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Odyssey over the Magic. The Magic is generally a nice and cheap brake. I bought it after not being impressed by the Fly contraption. As for the Evolver i would go for it. Has some nice little things about it. You also should enjoy the Primo lever.

Colour, whatever you want really. Black doesn't really get boring like a red, blue or green does.

20.75 all the way. I haven't really tried anything different for a long period of time. But as for a 21" tt i would definatly stay away from. It just makes the bike feel a little too long.

i had an evolver on my old haro, and it was a good brake, so i guess ill try it again :) gonna order some spanish flies and another linear slick :) should be sweet

as for frame size, i had a go on my mates 21tt dragonfly, and i couldn't really feel any difference, cept for more room, i do find i twat my knees a bit currently, but the bike does feel perfect for everything as it is...

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i had an evolver on my old haro, and it was a good brake, so i guess ill try it again :) gonna order some spanish flies and another linear slick :) should be sweet

as for frame size, i had a go on my mates 21tt dragonfly, and i couldn't really feel any difference, cept for more room, i do find i twat my knees a bit currently, but the bike does feel perfect for everything as it is...

Go with that if it feels good. I found that it hurts my back somehow. I think maybe the long tt is too much effort for lifting and manuals.

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