Bmx Questions

[BONGO]

brakeless.. i think there's an essay above about that but here it is in a nutshell.

trails - bad idea (60mph into tree = death)

ramps (minis etc) - scary to start with but matt hoffman does it so it must be a good idea

park - good idea

street - it's not street if you have brakes

riiiiight. becasue hoffman doesn't ride brakes, it's a good idea?? why? bestwick, kagy, mirra, miron, robinson, all do. Doesn't make much difference on vert anyway, but just cos someone else does something it shouldn't change anyone else view in my opinion. Isn't that why bmx is so good, becasue there are no rules to obide by and you can ride whatever you want, where ever and however.

Street. Yeah i guess corey martinez is a shit street rider becasue he rides a brake. pahh, he's a fag.

don't copy someone else. Do it how you want, be successful and let others copy you

[Mark W]

Bongo's pretty much hit the nail on the head there. There are so many different styles of riding and riders out there that there's no real "bad" way of doing something. When you get people like Kachinsky who ride street with 2 brakes and 2 pegs, then people like Edwin who do 4-peg brakeless street, T-Nez doing one brake 3-pegged street, Chase Hawk doing brakeless 2-pegged street/park, Eddie Cleveland doing brakeless pegless street, Ian Schwartz doing the same but with a freecoaster - there's so many different styles out there you're best off not limiting your choices right when you're starting riding, or at any other point to be fair. The whole thing with BMX, and why I reckon it's better than trials by far, is that there's so much more you can do, so don't limit yourself.

Sponge - not all grinding on pedals is done on the back pedal, so don't focus too much on it. It's kinda like saying you're going to ride trials and only backhop, if you get me?

[poopipe]

rant

firstly... clicky - thats what I was being

secondly... corey martinez has a beard which cancels out the brake.

apart from that I think everything was valid. ramps are scary without a brake until you're used to going really fast on them, trails riding without a brake would be suicidal and with everything else it makes buggerall difference.

sponge, i think you're thinking too much mate. try a few different setups once you've got the bike built to see what you like.

bongo is right -no rules. if there were rules i'd be laughed at for having a high seat and he'd be laughed at for having a high seat and 2 brakes (he'd be laughed at less cos he can do flips and whips and 900 nosepicks and i cant do any of those things but still)

[Mark W]

Alex Dropsy might beg to differ about brakeless trails But fair point. It largely depends on the line.

[chrishayton]

any good? if not whats better.

[Mark W]

Looks surprisingly good. Eastern used to keep banging out not-great completes, but that one looks like a pretty good deal...

[Sponge]

Bongo's pretty much hit the nail on the head there. There are so many different styles of riding and riders out there that there's no real "bad" way of doing something. When you get people like Kachinsky who ride street with 2 brakes and 2 pegs, then people like Edwin who do 4-peg brakeless street, T-Nez doing one brake 3-pegged street, Chase Hawk doing brakeless 2-pegged street/park, Eddie Cleveland doing brakeless pegless street, Ian Schwartz doing the same but with a freecoaster - there's so many different styles out there you're best off not limiting your choices right when you're starting riding, or at any other point to be fair. The whole thing with BMX, and why I reckon it's better than trials by far, is that there's so much more you can do, so don't limit yourself.

Sponge - not all grinding on pedals is done on the back pedal, so don't focus too much on it. It's kinda like saying you're going to ride trials and only backhop, if you get me?

Yeah I understand. It would seem rather narrow if I just did pedal grinds 24/7. But, it's just the only type of grinding I'd consider trying first on a rear pegless bike, and then expand my horizons later on, so to speak. 1-trick pony-ism is not my goal for BMX.

I'd personally rather get some other street things done like large kicker hops, barspins, crankflips, spins, fakies etc.. and so on. Grinds are just a small part of it for now, but are so satisfying when you get it picture perfect .

It's just that forward pedal grinding seems much harder to keep the bike balanced in position and upright. But I guess grinding on the crankarm solves this, but I much prefer pedal grinding to the backfoot (rather unicycle-esque).

[Joe_Elding]

Get your arse down some trails with my sponge, street is for fags

[eskimo]

Get your arse down some trails with my sponge, street is for fags

Isn't your avatar on street? You best go ride some natural to correct yourself.

I should take my pegs off again and learn some more stuff but it gets so boring i just love icepicks. And no copin icepick stalls or grinds are sketchy even though i would never commit to them.

A very very good advantage of no pegs is weight saving! If your into light bikes that is..

10mm axles and lighter forks. Also the bike does feel more balanced.

[chrishayton]

or this ( from the eastern link above)

[poopipe]

or this ( from the eastern link above)

I'd go with the weehole. the bars on the eastern aren't cromo so thats another £40 odd straight off the bat.

[chrishayton]

yeh i noticed that, and the wtp has a crome rim. i just want to get the best bike for £300 quid. Can someone in the know please help me. ( my msn is chrish8n@hotmail.com)

[Mark W]

Yeah I understand. It would seem rather narrow if I just did pedal grinds 24/7. But, it's just the only type of grinding I'd consider trying first on a rear pegless bike, and then expand my horizons later on, so to speak. 1-trick pony-ism is not my goal for BMX.

I'd personally rather get some other street things done like large kicker hops, barspins, crankflips, spins, fakies etc.. and so on. Grinds are just a small part of it for now, but are so satisfying when you get it picture perfect .

It's just that forward pedal grinding seems much harder to keep the bike balanced in position and upright. But I guess grinding on the crankarm solves this, but I much prefer pedal grinding to the backfoot (rather unicycle-esque).

It's not bad grinding on the front pedal, you just push it down a bit. I do it on ramp all the time, and it's do-able on rails. Besides, it's not too bad to actually just grind on the wheel nuts. I wasn't saying about the pedal-grinds as being a one-trick pony, I just meant that you won't only grind on your back pedal exclusively, so basing a setup for one trick seemed a bit weird. Just don't over-think everything, you need to just ride and see what you enjoy.

[eskimo]

When i get to purchase a Geisha i know i'm gonna incounter a few problems.

Running pegs, the hub might break. Room for a fbm hubguard do you recon?

25/9 gearing, i don't see much point to be honest. Why can't i run 25/12. That would be awesome.

Shall i sell my mod as i want a stock anyway?

[Mark W]

I grind/stall on my right side, and I generally hit dropout before I hit hub. Stalling subs, ice'ing rails, etc., it just seems to hit dropout, or I just do it right and do it on the axle. Either way, you probably won't hit it, only problem might be snapping the axle studs. However, if you wait 'til the Reverse comes out in March, you could get it in 11t, LHD, and with a one-piece axle

[Token]

Have a Federal Division and want to know its value really.

The spec is as follows:

Federal Division Frame

Sun Big Cities Rims

Profile Cassette

Odyssey Front Hub

Primo Cranks

Profile Sprocket

Some meaty forks?

Some nice bars, cant remember the name but apparently they are 'unbendable'

Odyssey Seat

Pretty shoddy pegs

Pretty sure theres a few guys that know their onions on that sort of stuff so I'd be really greatful if anyone knows.

soooo.... Value?

[eskimo]

Have a Federal Division and want to know its value really.

The spec is as follows:

Federal Division Frame

Sun Big Cities Rims

Profile Cassette

Odyssey Front Hub

Primo Cranks

Profile Sprocket

Some meaty forks?

Some nice bars, cant remember the name but apparently they are 'unbendable'

Odyssey Seat

Pretty shoddy pegs

Pretty sure theres a few guys that know their onions on that sort of stuff so I'd be really greatful if anyone knows.

soooo.... Value?

Between 200 and 300. Depends on year of the Division and what condition it is. Also if the Profile is mini or ss. Also what bars they are (never heard of unbendable bars they all go). And also the forks.

People are into light bikes now. It may find a seller on here though for someone who just wants a nice bmx and isn't too bothered about weight.

I grind/stall on my right side, and I generally hit dropout before I hit hub. Stalling subs, ice'ing rails, etc., it just seems to hit dropout, or I just do it right and do it on the axle. Either way, you probably won't hit it, only problem might be snapping the axle studs. However, if you wait 'til the Reverse comes out in March, you could get it in 11t, LHD, and with a one-piece axle

March isn't that long away. Plus nicer colours. Although from 'blasting' icepick grinds i have a tendancy to destroy flanges so i would ideally need a guard. Although i could just run my old Gsport one. 11t would be cool as well. I thought it was May they were arriving? Are they in the usa now then?

[Mark W]

I doubt it, but KHE keep talking about a March launch, so I'd just assume it was gonna be March. They're pretty much good to go, from what they're saying? The Geisha & Reverses seem to have fairly set-back flanges due to the width of the driver, not to mention they've got Everest-height flanges anyway, so they may be more out of the way than your usual hub. Either way, you could just mod an FBM guard if it's the 9t version, or run a Coalition cog guard if it's the 11t?

[poopipe]

reverse...

KHE site says May on it now - which makes me sad

it only says available in 9t now - which makes eskimo sad

there's pictures of it in black now - which makes me happy

they were definitely saying March a while back.

[Mark W]

I think March was given as the date just because that's when they're firing out a new batch of their hubs to the UK, so just another batch of Geishas 'n' shit. I know that when I ordered mine, they were saying it may take 'til March 'cos that was the next delivery or something.

[Token]

Between 200 and 300. Depends on year of the Division and what condition it is. Also if the Profile is mini or ss. Also what bars they are (never heard of unbendable bars they all go). And also the forks.

People are into light bikes now. It may find a seller on here though for someone who just wants a nice bmx and isn't too bothered about weight.

Okay thanks for that info, the bars are FBM and the forks are Volume. Think that the profile is a mini also. The weight's pretty good I think, not heavy and not chuckably light. Still worth between 200 and 300 you think?

[eskimo]

Okay thanks for that info, the bars are FBM and the forks are Volume. Think that the profile is a mini also. The weight's pretty good I think, not heavy and not chuckably light. Still worth between 200 and 300 you think?

You might be able to get £350 but you'd need a very intrested buyer. The Volume forks are like 40 quid new now.

[chrishayton]

ok i think im going to get an eastern jane (320 quid) the spec seems awesome for the money. it has a 21 inch toptube though. im 5 11. will it be nice, or would i be better with something like a 20 .5tt? bmx's have way to much to consider lol.

[poopipe]

ok i think im going to get an eastern jane (320 quid) the spec seems awesome for the money. it has a 21 inch toptube though. im 5 11. will it be nice, or would i be better with something like a 20 .5tt? bmx's have way to much to consider lol.

that's a tricky one.

I'm just about 6' - 6'1" and i find my 20.75 tt with 14.25 backend a bit too long. I do like a short bike though so I'm a bit of a special case.

At your height you wouldn't have any trouble riding a 21" tt (it's only 12.5mm longer than a 20.5 ) tipping your bars back a bit and running a short stem would cancel out any too-longness. The back end length is more of an issue but you won't know what you like until you've ridden a frame for several months and tried a few different wheel positions.

I wouldn't worry about it, just buy the one with the best bits.

just to throw a spanner in the works - have you looked at the dk dayton or 4-pack?

Edited February 7, 2007 by poopipe

[eskimo]

I'm 6' 2" i think. Or around that anyway and i would never buy a 21" tt frame ever. They suck to be honest, i can't get on with them at all. It's just too long, .25 of an inch isn't much but when you stick it on there you will notice the difference. I'm a 20.75" man and wouldn't mind trying out a 20.5" for a day.

Back end wise. It doesn't really make much difference for how tall you are i find. Shorter back end more spin less manual. As you probably know.