Marco V. Posted September 26, 2023 Report Share Posted September 26, 2023 Hello there! I'm looking around for brakes. I've an Inspired Arcade (red mirror frame from 2017/2018) and i just broke the front MT5. I don't want to repair it because of plastic things on the lever and i would prefer to substitute them. What's your opinion about brakes? - Hope trial tech 4 - Stay with MT5 but with mt7 lever - Hayes dominion a4 - others? Thank you all in advance! Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt24. Posted September 26, 2023 Report Share Posted September 26, 2023 Stay with mt5 and a Shimano lever. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but assume you could buy a deore lever and it would work fine and be a fair bit stronger than magura levers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szymon Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 Shigura is very strong. However the brake lever is very spongy. I had one day and went back to MT5 with HC3. The question is what kind of brake lever feel does Marco like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco V. Posted September 27, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 Thanks guys! I've read something about Shigura and seems most of people loves them. I afraid that the servo brake system make them spongy or with a weird finger feedback and @Szymon kinda confirmed... To me i Just want a brake that Is powerful, that grants that when i Land on rear wheel (or similar) It doesn't slide. With strong/solid lever. With kinda modulable Power for manuals stoppies and so on but that works in on/off mode when needed for other things. I'm fine with magura caliper i think... but i don't want anymore the lever to broke Just by pressing It when bouncing on front wheel, that's simply Dangerous. Hope brakes looks fine because solid and people says they're indestructibles. Maybe too much on/off? Or are they pretty modulable? Never tried Looking also at the @Ali C videos, Hayes brakes seems to be something in the middle... but never tried too so, basically too many option i never tried :) that's why i Need some help and feedback from you guys :) thanks a lot in Advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco V. Posted September 27, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 Oh, in case i'll take a try with Shigura, which lever do you suggest to buy? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szymon Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 3 hours ago, Marco V. said: Oh, in case i'll take a try with Shigura, which lever do you suggest to buy? thanks The cheapest M6100 Deore. One more thing. The clamp is in the center of the pump. My handlebar is shortened and the lever almost doesn't fit. The clamp falls out when bending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Song Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 I'm going to bump this thread. What are people's opinion on Hope Tech 4 V4, E4, or Trialzone? More specifically modulation I am coming from using Avid BBDBs, Shimano M820 Saints on my street trials bike. While they are awesome for locking and biting, they are hard to modulate, especially for doing something like manuals. I am picking up a Inspired complete with Hope Trial Zone, and I am thinking of switching my Avid BBDB to Hope brakes on my second bike to have easier time doing maintenance with both bikes having Hope brakes. I would be okay giving up on a bit of bite to have more modulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Knight Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 4 hours ago, Sam Song said: I'm going to bump this thread. What are people's opinion on Hope Tech 4 V4, E4, or Trialzone? More specifically modulation I am coming from using Avid BBDBs, Shimano M820 Saints on my street trials bike. While they are awesome for locking and biting, they are hard to modulate, especially for doing something like manuals. I am picking up a Inspired complete with Hope Trial Zone, and I am thinking of switching my Avid BBDB to Hope brakes on my second bike to have easier time doing maintenance with both bikes having Hope brakes. I would be okay giving up on a bit of bite to have more modulation. I recently picked up a set of Hope Tech 4 Trialzones and loving them, the modulation is fantastic compared to my previous Avid BB7's with organic pads which worked very well but very on/off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 (edited) I can comment on the T4 V4s, would not recommended them for trials. Power and modulation is good, but lever feel a bit mushy, and they had issues with fluid not being able to flow back quick enough too, so the lever would pump up if you pumped it in quick succession. More annoyingly they started leaking pretty quickly past the calliper piston seals. Were repaired by Hope twice, to no avail, after which I eventually got a refund. Back on Shigura's, which are trouble free, if a touch grabby. Edited May 9 by Daan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Song Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 2 hours ago, The Dark Knight said: I recently picked up a set of Hope Tech 4 Trialzones and loving them, the modulation is fantastic compared to my previous Avid BB7's with organic pads which worked very well but very on/off. Awesome! I will go with Trial Zones then. With my second bike, it may also be used for occasional MTB riding with a long seatpost, would it be something that could ruin the Trial Zone caliper since it is not designed for that? More specifically the heat generated from a long descent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Song Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 6 hours ago, Daan said: I can comment on the T4 V4s, would not recommended them for trials. Power and modulation is good, but lever feel a bit mushy, and they had issues with fluid not being able to flow back quick enough too, so the lever would pump up if you pumped it in quick succession. More annoyingly they started leaking pretty quickly past the calliper piston seals. Were repaired by Hope twice, to no avail, after which I eventually got a refund. Back on Shigura's, which are trouble free, if a touch grabby. The lever pumping and the mushy feeling may be by design for its MTB use, but there is no excuse for leaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szymon Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 Does anyone know how the tests of the new Magura brake lever are going? Last year someone had a brake lever similar to HS33 installed with MT caliper. Unfortunately, I don't remember who😐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jere_h Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 Looking for the current best disc brake for trials, with minimal pad knock if there's any. I already have a lot of experience with MT5/4. Those are good when it comes to pads rocking issue, there's not too much of that and even less with the jitsie pads. And they bite well. But I don't know, they just feel spongy and a bit unpredictable at times, lacks that raw consistent bite feel of aluminum master cylinder and starts to leak from the lever pretty soon. I've used my MT trail sport brakes on MTB now for 7 years and they've leaked most of the time but still somehow work, but not very consistently (no wonder). So getting another set of Maguras for my new dual disc trials bike would be an option but it just feels a bit meh.. I'd like a bit of change after all these years. Formula Cura 2 or 4, Anyone tried? I've been really interested in those lately, because they look like a good brakes and aren't that expensive. I bet they work well and feel good but how is the pad knock? The thing I hate most about disc brakes in trials is that banging sound. Shimanos are not an option, they bang a lot and also the bite point issue was too much for me after flipping to my back once. It was brand new set of Zees, they were just crap although felt nice WHEN they worked. Also the pads contaminated every day if not ridden. Hayes dominions, I don't like how the levers look because of those massive Sram style reservoirs. I like my cockpit nice and minimalistic. Also judging from videos they knock pretty bad too. The current Hope brakes, are they worth their price other than the bling aspect? I have a feeling that I'm just going to order the Formulas and see how they perform. Will swap them on the MTB if they suck for trials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 2 hours ago, Jere_h said: Looking for the current best disc brake for trials Avid BB5 with organic pads, SP51 cable outer and an FR5 lever with an SLX RT66 or Storm HC rotor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Bourde Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 (edited) Did you try Shigura? The magura brake callipers are quite good as you noticed. I have one MT4 and I want to try to use an old Louise lever with it. Did someone already try this combination? Formula Cura have a good call. I never own some unfortunately but a friend of mine like them on a MTB. They seem to be difficult to bleed perfectly. Cannot recall if they knock much. Edited July 19 by La Bourde Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Bourde Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 1 minute ago, aener said: Avid BB5 with organic pads, SP51 cable outer and an FR5 lever with an SLX RT66 or Storm HC rotor. In my opinion, mechanical Avid brakes are really the best for street trial. So predictable, so reliable, easy to fix or to adjust and quite cheap... Some might complaint about the feel of the lever though. I also use Slx and since a few weeks magura rotors. The magura are slightly thicker, so I hope they bend less. Will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 2 minutes ago, La Bourde said: Some might complaint about the feel of the lever though. Really? I find them far nicer than hydraulics. Did you loosen the spring tension at the caliper? I have one on the front of my Cannibal and both on my 456 - regular pads on the 456 though. Organic chucked me over the bars on tech decents one too many times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jere_h Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 8 hours ago, La Bourde said: Did you try Shigura? No because with Shimano levers comes the wandering bite point. Also hate the snappy feel of those "servo wave" levers, it's not very natural feeling and I don't see its purpose other than trying to achieve something that isn't needed. Just makes modulation more difficult. The bite point feels good when it's there but other than that I don't like Shimanos. Cable disc brakes? Not for me. 😃Besides the hideous looks/style thing, doesn't matter how good they might be, I don't think (personally) that they can beat the precision of modern hydraulics. I've already seen it with V-brakes, there's a lot of flex and inaccuracy in the system even with the most high end cables and stuff. I haven't touched a mechanical disc brake since I was a kid, but I can imagine how their "personality" is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Bourde Posted July 20 Report Share Posted July 20 Got your point. Some people use really thin oil to fix the wandering bite point (e.g. putoline). Maybe you can try some old Shimano levers or the XTR race. They do not have servo wave. Regarding the mechanical brakes: this is what I meant with "feel of the lever". It feels less precise and there is much more friction. If you really like modulation, that is not the kind of brakes you want. As I wrote,I would like to test a MT4 caliper with a Magura Louise lever. An old shimano one could be a good alternative though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jere_h Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 (edited) Actually I was quite interested to try Shigura with XTR race, but checked prices for a set of levers only and laughed.. Currently I could get a complete set of Cura 2 with two magura rotors for the price of XTR levers. Giving the Formulas a go, will report back how they feel in a comp trials setup after I've got the thing built some day. Cura 2-pot because of weight and reliability. Read some feedback about the 4-pots having typical 4-pot issues. Edited July 22 by Jere_h Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jere_h Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 (edited) I've had the Formulas now in my mtb for a while and will probably keep them there, because they are actually really good for that. These are just very smooth and easy to modulate, contrary to most of the reviews that say the Cura 2 is a bit on-off?! They feel completely different to Maguras, which tend to be very bitey. I don't think the Cura works well for trials with the stock pads because of that slippery smooth initial bite or better say lack of it. I bought a set of Trickstuff pads that are supposed to be more powerful, will see how they feel. Someone, maybe AliC in another thread complained about sluggish lever feel. Some say the levers feel heavy. To me they feel very light, maybe a bit slower/not as snappy as others but not much. The pad knock is horrible, just tons of loose and it doesn't seem to go away after bedding in. This is possibly the deal breaker for me but it doesn't bother in MTB so... The MT5 is still my favourite brake for trials, why change something that works. It bites and holds like animal and there is zero pad knock. The feel is just perfect now when I've used them again, and the only issue is those master cylinder leaks at some point. Shigura might be a real thing to consider. Edited August 24 by Jere_h Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stirlingpowers Posted September 1 Report Share Posted September 1 (edited) On 9/26/2023 at 8:09 PM, Matt24. said: Stay with mt5 and a Shimano lever. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but assume you could buy a deore lever and it would work fine and be a fair bit stronger than magura levers On 7/19/2024 at 2:03 PM, Jere_h said: Shimanos are not an option, they bang a lot and also the bite point issue was too much for me after flipping to my back once. It was brand new set of Zees, they were just crap although felt nice WHEN they worked. Also the pads contaminated every day if not ridden. On 7/20/2024 at 5:23 PM, La Bourde said: Maybe you can try some old Shimano levers or the XTR race. They do not have servo wave. I got me the Shimano XT Trekking variant levers BL-T8100, they are modern and don't have the Servowave, so no wandering bite point. I have not much experience with disc brakes, only ran some Hopes a decade ago, but they feel OK for me, immediately got some stoppie success. I tried a Servowave XT MT7 Shigura in a shop, Trekking XT has way less flex. Edited September 1 by stirlingpowers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Bourde Posted September 1 Report Share Posted September 1 Nice to know. But I am not sure about the stiffness of the lever: I have the same generation of XT lever with servo wave and this type of clamp, and the stiffness is really bad. It is OK on a trail bike but even on a DH bike I did not like it. The clamp is narrow and there is an insert made of plastic to mount shifter/dropper lever. The newest design has a small appendix that improves the stiffness quite a lot. It seems there is still no newest XT trekking version though ... But a Deore version (Shimano BL-M4100) for 20€: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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