niconj Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 I was kinda bored by the TGS riding I have been doing over the last months and wanted to include some street riding moves into my practice sessions. In the video you can see the result of two days hard practice. I don't know how the move is called. I wanted to turn further to be able to drive away in a 90° angle to the wall after the spin. Any suggestions as to how to do it? I need to spin further I think but when landing, do I have to pedal backwards or pull the rear brake and pedal... Sorry for the gibberish. I really don't know how to put it into words but I think you get what I mean. p.s.: Are these spinning moves easier with a 24'' street bike than with a long pogo stick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 Bike won't make much difference. You need to throw the rear end round more - practice on the flat and just spin as far as you can during an endo, you should be able to get at least a 180* spin before placing the rear wheel back on the floor. From there, it's not much different to do it off a wall, you just need to pop off with the front wheel as the rear is coming around to land and ride out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Luke Rainbird said: you should be able to get at least a 180* spin before placing the rear wheel back on the floor. Thanks. This is still pretty hard to do. I have to practice it on the flat then. Once I can do this, doing it off the wall do I have to pull the rear brake when landing or do I have enough momentum to just roll off forwards? I'm surprised that the bike won't make any difference with mine having a pretty long wheelbase and all. Edited September 26, 2016 by niconj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 Looks fine to me. Just needs more practice and being more dynamic (faster) with the moves. When you go off higher stuff, you will rotate further. Might be easier to lock the rear brake on landing while you're learning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 12 minutes ago, Adam@TartyBikes said: Might be easier to lock the rear brake on landing while you're learning. I did this off a higher wall and almost fell on my back because the brake was locked. When it's done perfectly, is the brake locked or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 Then your weight was waaaayyy too far back - and you would have definitely gone off the back if the brake wasn't on! I don't know what the latest fashion is, I haven't done these for about 10 years But I always used to have rear brake on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbertlemon102 Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) when i do these above 5 feet- 6feet if i dont lock the rear brake i find i land flat and f**k my wrists. with the rear brake locked for some reason i land rear wheel first instinctively dunno why Edited September 26, 2016 by Herbertlemon102 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Adam@TartyBikes said: I don't know what the latest fashion is, I haven't done these for about 10 years But I always used to have rear brake on. When I try to pedal backwards, my front wheel lowers; when I have the rear wheel locked, it takes me further back but then again, I don't land in the direction I want to go. If I turn all the way, keeping the rear wheel locked might actually put my front wheel down as well. p.s.: Isn't it cool to do them anymore? Edited September 26, 2016 by niconj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 Why are you trying to pedal backwards? It probably is, but I'm not cool any more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 14 minutes ago, Adam@TartyBikes said: Why are you trying to pedal backwards? Because, like in the video, the momentum carries me to the back and when I pull the rear brake, I fall over. If I pedal backwards, it takes the front wheel down. This, as I understand, isn't necessary anymore once I turn fully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 You're just not swinging hard or fast enough, plus the drop is tiny so you haven't got much room to spin. You're sort of doing the swing the back round and pulling the front round as two separate moves as well, combine them as one motion so you lose less momentum. Back brake always locked. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 Ahh, I see what the problem is here. You only have one shin pad on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 24 minutes ago, Ross McArthur said: Ahh, I see what the problem is here. You only have one shin pad on. Gosh... why didn't I see it earlier. Thanks so much. No wonder there is lack of equilibrium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 17 hours ago, niconj said: Because, like in the video, the momentum carries me to the back and when I pull the rear brake, I fall over. If I pedal backwards, it takes the front wheel down. This, as I understand, isn't necessary anymore once I turn fully. Something isn't right there... your weight should be in a position such that the front falls down 'automatically' when you land with the rear brake on. I think you need to try it off something higher, so the bike gets more vertical in the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 52 minutes ago, Adam@TartyBikes said: Something isn't right there... Exactly. I don't land forwards I land backwards and the momentum of the turn goes to the back resulting in falling over when pulling the rear brake. Just imagine landing in a 90° angle to the wall with the front facing the wall, you have to pedal backwards because you push yourself from the wall onto the rear wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Cool. So you know what to do. Go out and practice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, Adam@TartyBikes said: Cool. So you know what to do. Go out and practice I did. What I found out is that the move is more in the hips rather than really lifting the rear wheel. I think it's only a matter of days until I master it. I know for you guys it's the easiest in the world but for me it's pure motivation after having a long draught. The wall in the video is slightly higher and I tried to make the move faster. Edited September 27, 2016 by niconj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 That's looking much better. Definite progress from the first clip, so keep that trend up and you'll be 1080ing from 9ft up in no time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsMatt Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 give it a go from static Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 16 minutes ago, ItsMatt said: give it a go from static Will try that the next time. Probably a lot harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Good idea that - it is harder, but means you have to exaggerate the movements... which teaches you what works very quickly. Good improvement already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwtrials Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 A higher wall will make the move easier and feel more natural. Anything less than 3ft and it just doesn't work right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 1 hour ago, cwtrials said: A higher wall will make the move easier and feel more natural. Anything less than 3ft and it just doesn't work right. Problem is though, that I am afraid of doing it off higher heights without knowing how to do it. This is always a great problem for me when trying new moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Used to be called helicopter drop off in USA and was every demo riders showy-trick in the year 1999. spin harder/faster/explode more but mostly just practice!! Your muscles will learn eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 4 hours ago, AndyT said: Used to be called helicopter drop off in USA and was every demo riders showy-trick in the year 1999. Lol... I'm so 90's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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