lewisbigears Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 I own a trials bike for a while now and wondering on how to get up to front then switch to back any one help with this and give me some tips ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 The best example I saw of someone practicing up to fronts was a lad starting with one pallet, riding up to it , lifting the front end on then locking the front brake to endo and switching to rear. He then gradually added more pallets and slowly built up to the point he was almost bunnyhopping the front wheel up the pallet. I gave it a try doing that method when I was trying them years back and found it the easiest method for building confidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 whats your current progress with trying the move? moves to front are simple, but it's definitely mind over matter convincing yourself to really commit your weight over the front end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackstandtom Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I was trying this. Although before I put my front wheel on a pallet I had a mark on the floor where I would endo and try to hit with my back wheel. I just seemed to rock back down where I started. I think my problem is not getting my weight forward enough during the endo. But the question I have is am I getting my back wheel high enough. I wanted to see how high It was goin so I tried to endo onto pallets. I could manage 3 pallets with the front wheel still on floor. Is this enough height?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) I was trying this. Although before I put my front wheel on a pallet I had a mark on the floor where I would endo and try to hit with my back wheel. I just seemed to rock back down where I started. I think my problem is not getting my weight forward enough during the endo. But the question I have is am I getting my back wheel high enough. I wanted to see how high It was goin so I tried to endo onto pallets. I could manage 3 pallets with the front wheel still on floor. Is this enough height??I kinda had a breakthrough with this technique today. What I did wrong was having my arms stretched and my bodyweight too far back. I also didn't really jump up like during a pedal kick. Today I did two things differently. I really jumped up and when on my highest point just moved my bodyweight to the front leaving my hips right at the handle bar. Once you land in that position the wheel swap is so much easier. I first tried the wheel swap on the floor but that didn't work out so well. I was surprised how easy it is jumping onto things. Edited August 16, 2015 by niconj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) The best example I saw of someone practicing up to fronts was a lad starting with one pallet, riding up to it , lifting the front end on then locking the front brake to endo and switching to rear. He then gradually added more pallets and slowly built up to the point he was almost bunnyhopping the front wheel up the pallet. I gave it a try doing that method when I was trying them years back and found it the easiest method for building confidence. This is what I've done the last couple of weeks. I've gotten as far as this: http://videos.mtb-news.de/42736/up_to_front_practice Probably not as high as one should jump when practicing this move* but I think moving up a palllet every other month or so will bring some results. Right now I'm at a point where I still have to visualize the move before doing it so that the technique still isn't quite right. For example, I should lean more over the handle bars. I think it's like everything else in trials. Practice x1000. * If you're focusing on just going up to front not gapping, its ideal for your front wheel to have to up if that makes sense. So you don't have to bow your front wheel lower onto the wall. So I dunno 35" maybe? Edited August 21, 2015 by niconj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donski Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 This is what I've done the last couple of weeks. I've gotten as far as this: http://videos.mtb-news.de/42736/up_to_front_practice Probably not as high as one should jump when practicing this move* but I think moving up a palllet every other month or so will bring some results. Right now I'm at a point where I still have to visualize the move before doing it so that the technique still isn't quite right. For example, I should lean more over the handle bars. I think it's like everything else in trials. Practice x1000. *Niconj what bike is that you are using Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Niconj what bike is that you are using Gu 26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Kinda scared of heights higher than 65cm. That's why I don't jump up really on the second attempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pít Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 One of the riders here says he literally aim the front wheel half or one pallets below the edge. I tried it and worked well, but i almost sh*t on my forehead, haha. I dont think i'll try again. He is riding 2 and a half years and pedal up to front up to 9 pallets, so he could be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) One of the riders here says he literally aim the front wheel half or one pallets below the edge. I tried it and worked well, but i almost sh*t on my forehead, haha. I dont think i'll try again. He is riding 2 and a half years and pedal up to front up to 9 pallets, so he could be right. Well, from seeing videos on Trashzen this isn't always necessary but from personal experience I know that it levers you up more and will especially be necessary for heights where you can't plant your front wheel onto the wall easily. I kinda aim like in my second attempt. The lower end of the front wheel touches the edge and levers you up having some speed of course. Edited August 26, 2015 by niconj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valk Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 One of the riders here says he literally aim the front wheel half or one pallets below the edge. I tried it and worked well, but i almost sh*t on my forehead, haha. I dont think i'll try again. He is riding 2 and a half years and pedal up to front up to 9 pallets, so he could be right. Yeah I'm just a disgrace to trials if someone did that in such a short amount of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pít Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Well, from seeing videos on Trashzen this isn't always necessary but from personal experience I know that it levers you up more and will especially be necessary for heights where you can't plant your front wheel onto the wall easily. I kinda aim like in my second attempt. The lower end of the front wheel touches the edge and levers you up having some speed of course. The position of your front wheel looks perfect for me in your second attempt. (i'm not a master of this technic, nothing over 95 cm) Yeah I'm just a disgrace to trials if someone did that in such a short amount of time. Sometimes i feel it, too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Yeah I'm just a disgrace to trials if someone did that in such a short amount of time. Been riding for less than 2 years (started in 2013) so I think this is possible when focusing only on certain techniques. The overall performance would be interesting to see. On the other hand, I don't have much time to practice. I think I'd be much better practicing 6 times a week or so rather than only 3 times as I don now. It all depends on the situation of the rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 Gap to Front is fun too. http://videos-static-2.mtb-news.de/videos/8/0/7/7/2/1/_/video/02.09.15_af4491_1583c6-h.m4v Broke both of my brake levers. Just happy I don't run the Racing Line brakes anymore. Just cost 18€ to replace both levers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havarka Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) Gap to Front is fun too. http://videos-static-2.mtb-news.de/videos/8/0/7/7/2/1/_/video/02.09.15_af4491_1583c6-h.m4v Broke both of my brake levers. Just happy I don't run the Racing Line brakes anymore. Just cost 18€ to replace both levers.you should have not tighten them at max torque Edited September 27, 2015 by havarka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dk2 Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 done the same as you 100's of times..i find that if i get my butt further back(not down but back) before i jump(preload) i land more controlled on the front wheel. just my 2cents... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Couple of weeks ago and have gotten slightly better already. After having done this move for 1000x it doesn't seem so scary after all. The wheel swap still is difficult and I cannot get on the rear wheel. Any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbertlemon102 Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 On 25 October 2015 at 8:08 PM, niconj said: Couple of weeks ago and have gotten slightly better already. After having done this move for 1000x it doesn't seem so scary after all. The wheel swap still is difficult and I cannot get on the rear wheel. Any suggestions? The best way I found was to imagine yourself at the bottom of a circle. Sounds odd, but you're as you're switching, you move the front wheel so it follows the shape of the circle (I'm not very good at explaining) also, it's easier when youre at your front wheel balance point, and the motion of leaning over the front and then throwing the bike to rear should be one smooth action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 Have gotten slightly better. What I still can't manage is the wheel swap but I'm working on it. I can do it on lower heights and it's just a matter of time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake. Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 This was my first ever up to front. I think that's sorta the minimum height to do them really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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niconj Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 3 hours ago, Jake. said: ... Saw that already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daviesdt Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Got questions on the front to back wheel swap, how much of your arms are you using? By this i mean when you are on the front wheel approaching tipping point and release the front brake, should you be pushing up to lift the front wheel off the floor to get any height? Im thinking almost like a press up where you would allow your hands to leave the ground momentarily. Ive tried thinking bottom of a circle like herbert lemon mentions above but its not getting me far enough. I reckon my back wheel is landing about half a bike length short of the front wheel (at best) and front wheel is barely coming up despite trying to get weight back over rear hub. Also, do you need to be able to front wheel hop to pull off the wheel swap successfully? How high should back wheel lift as ive noticed riders like Ali C dont lift it that far but still manage the swap so think im missing something. One last thing, Is it easier to learn on a street trials high front end bike or a pogo stick which feels lower and longer? Sorry for the long list but this is doing my fu@king head in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 I cannot really explain it but it's not that much about pushing with your arms rather than leaning backwards after releasing the front brake. Just try it on the flat ground for a while. Do an endo and then try the wheel swap. I manage to do the wheel swap on lower heights than the wall in my earlier video but I never feel like pushing really hard out of my arms. I can't to front wheel hops so it's not really necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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