what's the name of footjam tailwhip's variations?

[coolorochi]

Hi, I need some specification Please.

Throw the back to front foot direction, break, jam with back foot, what's the name?

break, jam, then kick the back to rotate, counterforce make body position rotate also. what's the name?

is there other variations?

thax!

[bikeperson45]

I got confused, so I'll say a 180 whip where you spin the bike one way and the rider rotates the opposite direction and then lands in a way that is facing the opposite direction of the starting direction is called a DOWN SIDE WHIP

Edited December 1, 2014 by bikeperson45

[Ali C]

that's a down side whip.

[bikeperson45]

Edited

This post too apparently

Edited December 1, 2014 by bikeperson45

[coolorochi]

Great, thax, now I know down side whip.

and how about foot jam using back foot/ front foot ?

for a street foot jam whip - jump over the frame, front foot jam, back foot kick the rear wheel around, rotate to front foot direction, after it came around, jump out, catch pedal in air.

but with breaks on trials bike, you can do - break, throw the rear wheel to front foot direction with both foot, back foot jam, after it came around, back foot cross over the frame to catch pedal.

the thing is, in street, without front break, you have to use jam as break. so,

1, you have to jump over frame to break front wheel with front foot, in the same time kick bike around with back foot.

2, you can't cross over to catch pedal, when your foot off front wheel, no more break, lose control over front. so you have to jump out then catch pedal in air.

they are very different skills, different foot, and steps. they must have different names?

I'm doing street footjam whip, but I also ride trial, it's bit confusing, so I'm trying to get it straight.

Edited December 1, 2014 by coolorochi

[Ali C]

The "proper" way to footjam whip is as you've said, forward foot goes over the frame and onto tyre and at the same time the back foot kicks the frame around. This is the BMX way and how it's done brakeless.

The other way (that 99% of trials riders do it) is to do a braked front pivot and then put the back foot on the tyre and let the bike swing around from the momentum.

I'm not a fan of the second way, in my head it's a bit cheating and is a shortcut way of getting it done. People seem to think that the end result (of any move) is the goal, but I always try to explain that it's HOW you do something that's as important as actually landing something (which is why goofy spinning annoys me).

[bikeperson45]

The using the brake way looks smoother anyways

[Ali C]

The using the brake way looks smoother anyways

So does cutting corners while racing but it doesn't make it right

[Mark W]

The brakeless BMX way of doing it looks smoother than the trials rider back foot/front brake way because it's more of a flowing move into the start of it where as with the trials way the majority of people end up doing that weird frog leg squat thing on the front tyre. If you spin regular then doing it front foot would make doing them in spins easier too (and will again look better ).

[valk]

(which is why goofy spinning annoys me).

You should start a website with a charity fund to stop goofy spinning.

[Ali C]

no one would donate

[Mark W]

I'm surprised you're not concerned that they'd probably donate money the wrong way so they'd actually end up taking money out of the pot.

[coolorochi]

I see, so, the skills name is same?

maybe should be a different name? since they are different skills .

I don't know if it's easier though. front foot jam feel right, back foot not so, for me anyway.

trials way is good for getting off a platform, and the move looks a bit mechanic rhythm feeling. Especially when catching the pedal, the motion stop. then a rotate off platform.

and streets looks smooth.

if theres no name, why don't give it one? GF whip for example?

[cjtop]

The "proper" way to footjam whip is as you've said, forward foot goes over the frame and onto tyre and at the same time the back foot kicks the frame around. This is the BMX way and how it's done brakeless.

The other way (that 99% of trials riders do it) is to do a braked front pivot and then put the back foot on the tyre and let the bike swing around from the momentum.

I'm not a fan of the second way, in my head it's a bit cheating and is a shortcut way of getting it done. People seem to think that the end result (of any move) is the goal, but I always try to explain that it's HOW you do something that's as important as actually landing something (which is why goofy spinning annoys me).

I'm so glad Ali cleared that up, I learned the footjam tail whip the bmx way but after watching so many trials videos of riders doing it the pivot non hop over the top tube way I figured I was doing it wrong and started trying to re-learn foot jam tail whips, going to stop with that nonsense now and continue doing them the bmx way. Thanks Ali!