ogre Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 my vote is for hopes with jitsie pads, i've known a few people who've snapped the saint calipers, (and a handful that have broken hopes) but the number of hope users > shimano users, so i'd presume the hope is the tougher cookie. plus jitsie pads are comically good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerictgm mk2 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) Nice edit: I have tried out MT2 brake to find out their calipers snap, Hope tech3 trialzone (a pair of them on my bike) to find their stopping power to lack compared to the saints. I have also had m810/m820 levers on my bike and also m810/20 calipers too. I even tried a bb7 late last year. So you are not the only person to try all these brakes out. After riding with Ali who has tried your brakes out and seeing Mark who is running your brakes both complaining about them and riding at a decent level I don't plan on ever trying a hope 4pot caliper. (Just note that I live 10 min's away from the Hope factory and if they was good enough do you not think I would be running them?) Also my choice of running only a rear only has what to do with this thread? Must really suck to see...... try it Thanks for detailed reply. Mark using E4 or V4? And with 183 or 203 rotors? My expirience now is this - in ascending order braking quality : 1) cheap vees and cheap disc shimano mech brakes 2) avid juicy three - shitty brake that even can't stop wheel at snow in some situations 3) set of BB7 with echo TR rotors, shitty brakes (not BB7 but my setup) 4) Deore Vees + TNN pads + fresh grind + linear cable - pretty good brake but vees are shit because they always upsetting and you need to reset pads distance and keep your rims in ideal state. 5) ECHO TR 08 brake - works awesome but leaks like a bitch. Hydro brakes always > than mechs. And it is said by me - fan of mech brakes(in past). And also here a BB5 + avid rotors (roundagon 180 as far as I remember) awesome on/off brake, good hold but bad modulation. 6)Hope M4 Tech 2 Evo with 203 203 Hope Mono6 Saw rotors. 7)Hope V4 Tech 3 with 203 Hope Mono6 Saw rotors. (more power + lever is more comfy, and of course they are looks awesome) By forum replies it seems that TrialZone is worst than Hope 4-pot brakes so I don't even want to buy them. The last question for me is SAINTS. It seems that I'll have to try both M810 and M820 despite of M810 are really crazy hard to find. Edited October 16, 2014 by Clerictgm mk2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperclip Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Thanks for detailed reply. Mark using E4 or V4? And with 183 or 203 rotors? My expirience now is this - in ascending order braking quality : 1) cheap vees and cheap disc shimano mech brakes 2) avid juicy three - shitty brake that even can't stop wheel at snow in some situations 3) set of BB7 with echo TR rotors, shitty brakes (not BB7 but my setup) 4) Deore Vees + TNN pads + fresh grind + linear cable - pretty good brake but vees are shit because they always upsetting and you need to reset pads distance and keep your rims in ideal state. 5) ECHO TR 08 brake - works awesome but leaks like a bitch. Hydro brakes always > than mechs. And it is said by me - fan of mech brakes(in past). And also here a BB5 + avid rotors (roundagon 180 as far as I remember) awesome on/off brake, good hold but bad modulation. 6)Hope M4 Tech 2 Evo with 203 203 Hope Mono6 Saw rotors. 7)Hope V4 Tech 3 with 203 Hope Mono6 Saw rotors. (more power + lever is more comfy, and of course they are looks awesome) By forum replies it seems that TrialZone is worst than Hope 4-pot brakes so I don't even want to buy them. The last question for me is SAINTS. It seems that I'll have to try both M810 and M820 despite of M810 are really crazy hard to find. http://www.artscyclery.com/Shimano_Saint_M810_Rear_Disc_Brake_Set/descpage-SHSM810RRBS.html The front brakes are easier to find, I presume you would have to swap the levers around? with Saint brakes you do not need to rebleed them if you do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Fronts are easier to find as luke seems to have most of the rear ones.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Any Hope lever, Hope Trial (either Mono Trial or Trial Zone) caliper, Mono Trial rotor, Jitsie pads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerictgm mk2 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Any Hope lever, Hope Trial (either Mono Trial or Trial Zone) caliper, Mono Trial rotor, Jitsie pads. or V2 which is the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 It's the same piston size, but it's not the same caliper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerictgm mk2 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 So what's the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Pads, phenoilc rather than alloy pistons, different thickness of the bridge between the two halves of the caliper, some others. You can see them from just looking at a picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Does the statement "it's not the same caliper" not explain it for you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerictgm mk2 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 I still don't get how HOPE brakes may be "not so good, overhyped, etc." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 PS. That lockwiring is hideous 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerictgm mk2 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 168 km/h Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 What the f**k has that got to do with the price of fish? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerictgm mk2 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Think... physics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 The usage on that thing is completely different to a trials bike though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerictgm mk2 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 But if V2 can stop fast this thing from 170km/h and reliable enough to be a dragracing brake I don't get how Hope brakes may be not one of the best brakes ever. And Saints are DH brakes, usage brakes in DH is completely different to a trials though, isn't it? Well, anyway I'll try all this brakes. One more question about M810/20 they are close hydraulic system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Yeah that's my point. And why Hope TRIALS brakes are better than Saints for trials Nope, open system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Found some rocking horse shit http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1658835/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Yeah that's my point. And why Hope TRIALS brakes are better than Saints for trials Nope, open system. I've had saints for pure trials, and they were miles better than any hope I've ever had for trials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerictgm mk2 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) If saints are so crazy powerful tartys should invalidate warranty on frames and forks of those who using them Edited October 16, 2014 by Clerictgm mk2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 I've had saints for pure trials, and they were miles better than any hope I've ever had for trials That's also my point, everyone's opinions are different, there is no 'best' brake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 As this testifies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerictgm mk2 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 That's also my point, everyone's opinions are different, there is no 'best' brake. Of course there are no best brakes in terms of personal preference. But using scientific approach we may find out which brake/pads/rotors/levers combination has: 1) best hold 2) best bite 3) best resistance to overheating (not actual for trials) etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmertrials Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Oh just shut up and ride your bike. There's more to life. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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