Clerictgm mk2 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) Ali, your riding is great but you are pretty stupid at engineering. So listen here, boy. There are no such thing as overkill in terms of reliability in street-trials(you are a smart boy so tell us why by yourself), where weight doesn't matter and 12 kg is absolutely fine. 20mm axle and well-designed fork will weight same(or slightly more (no more than 50 gramms more if we compare both fork and axle together)) as 15mm fork with axle and would be stronger at the same time. About RnD, they work are not so hard. Choose proper thikness of tubes and proper welding places. Construction of street-trials and BMX frames are very strong by itself. So even more than RND there are quality of production (welding, thermal threating) matters. And this is fekking steel, it's far more easier to construct and produce than an AL frame. And also it's cheaper to design, cheaper to produce and material by itself is cheaper. Edited October 20, 2014 by Clerictgm mk2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 And this is fekking steel, it's far more easier to construct and produce than an AL frame. And also it's cheaper to design, cheaper to produce and material by itself is cheaper. Sure about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerictgm mk2 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Sure about that? Absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Clerictgm mk2 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) Adam, we all know that price formed not from prime cost. And Console/Arcade are pretty "luxx" frames, not just a regular frames. Edited October 20, 2014 by Clerictgm mk2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Adam, we all know that price formed not from prime cost. Well that is true, but it doesn't mean steel frames are cheaper to produce than alloy frames. That's too wide of a generalisation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Ali, your riding is great but you are pretty stupid at engineering. So listen here, boy. There are no such thing as overkill in terms of reliability in street-trials(you are a smart boy so tell us why by yourself), where weight doesn't matter and 12 kg is absolutely fine. 20mm axle and well-designed fork will weight same(or slightly more (no more than 50 gramms more if we compare both fork and axle together)) as 15mm fork with axle and would be stronger at the same time. About RnD, they work are not so hard. Choose proper thikness of tubes and proper welding places. Construction of street-trials and BMX frames are very strong by itself. So even more than RND there are quality of production (welding, thermal threating) matters. And this is fekking steel, it's far more easier to construct and produce than an AL frame. And also it's cheaper to design, cheaper to produce and material by itself is cheaper. Listen kid, you're quite the idiot. I'm not going to try and explain things again as I'm blatantly wasting my time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dman Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 I wish you would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Leigh Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Because BMXes have 10mm and no problem. Why do you need this stupid 15mm axle, mm? Why not 20mm why not 40mm? It's same stupid as 20mm on skye. But 20mm is better than 15mm because of wide hubs choice. But this is still unnecessarily strong. If axle and hub are good, 10mm is more than enough. And also 10mm is more distributed it trials world, it's the "main standard". So you don't need to rebuild the wheel or using this crazily stupid adaptors with 10mm forks. Also you can make 20/15/whatever mm axle hub for 10mm fork, like CZAR with 14mm axle. It's freaking bombproof. yeh and bmx's aint inspireds or trials bikes are dey bruv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Leigh Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 No offense guys I'm just yeahhhh.... see nobody has ever found that funny.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Lold hardly about so stupid RnD. It's so hard to choose axle size, OÐœFG. RnD work is to choose proper thickness of the pipes and overall construction, this is hard, yes. And one more question: why not 20mm that all MTB street world uses and that a lot stronger than 15mm? And why Console uses 10mm? Because it's a cheap dirty poor version of Arcade? Throughout the prototyping period the Arcade had a 15mm front axle, but the design of it changed a couple of times to make it easier to use, lighter, slimmer and so on. As an example, the taper on the end of the axle/tapered spacer under the axle bolt head were added on the second prototype axle as it made it really easy to centre the axle when fitting it, and helps hold everything in place tighter/better too. That's the whole point of testing stuff. Related to that, it was interesting to see Shrewsbury's Marino frame disc mount broke exactly where I thought it would thanks to Marino making the mount really short (compared to every other company that actively makes the mount longer). The Console uses a 10mm axle because 10mm front hubs are cheaper but still work well (as evidenced by the vast majority of riders using that setup, as well as the majority of the rest of the Inspired range) and mean that for the frame kit, riders don't necessarily have to buy a new hub to run the Console forks. Considering you think the Console is the "cheap dirty poor version of Arcade" it seems strange that, for someone as wealthy as you, you're asking about buying one. Which MTB street bikes use steel forks with 20mm axles out of interest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Related to that, it was interesting to see Shrewsbury's Marino frame disc mount broke exactly where I thought it would thanks to Marino making the mount really short (compared to every other company that actively makes the mount longer). Just so everyone knows. We've been working on that and have a revised design. In Marino/Tarzan speak, "disc mount much stronger now". 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbertlemon102 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) Clerictgm, I have a formula I'd like you to solve. X=( 25-15)0what did you get? Edited October 20, 2014 by Herbertlemon102 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerictgm mk2 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Throughout the prototyping period the Arcade had a 15mm front axle, but the design of it changed a couple of times to make it easier to use, lighter, slimmer and so on. As an example, the taper on the end of the axle/tapered spacer under the axle bolt head were added on the second prototype axle as it made it really easy to centre the axle when fitting it, and helps hold everything in place tighter/better too. That's the whole point of testing stuff. Related to that, it was interesting to see Shrewsbury's Marino frame disc mount broke exactly where I thought it would thanks to Marino making the mount really short (compared to every other company that actively makes the mount longer). The Console uses a 10mm axle because 10mm front hubs are cheaper but still work well (as evidenced by the vast majority of riders using that setup, as well as the majority of the rest of the Inspired range) and mean that for the frame kit, riders don't necessarily have to buy a new hub to run the Console forks. Considering you think the Console is the "cheap dirty poor version of Arcade" it seems strange that, for someone as wealthy as you, you're asking about buying one. Which MTB street bikes use steel forks with 20mm axles out of interest? I like Console more for normal dropouts + it looks better than Arcade imo. Yep Console and Arcade are the best you can have for street-trials in all terms now. Skye is for dwarfs so I don't consider it. Console have longer seattube isn't it? I think it looks far more beauty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbertlemon102 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Seeing as he was too much if a dumbass to do it, x was equal to the number of f**ks anyone gives on anything cleric says, and incidently also the number if brain cells inside his head. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 X= 25-15x0 Seeing as he was too much if a dumbass to do it, x was equal to the number of f**ks anyone gives on anything cleric says, and incidently also the number if brain cells inside his head. 25? Might want to sort out your syntax. If you're going to call someone out and be a bit of a covert geek about it, do it properly next time 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerictgm mk2 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) Seeing as he was too much if a dumbass to do it, x was equal to the number of f**ks anyone gives on anything cleric says, and incidently also the number if brain cells inside his head. SMD+GFY 81+CH. Edited October 20, 2014 by Clerictgm mk2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbertlemon102 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 25? Might want to sort out your syntax. If you're going to call someone out and be a bit of a covert geek about it, do it properly next time anything times zero is zero? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbertlemon102 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Even if something has been lost in translation, 25 brain cells is still a questionable number I meant no offence sir rainbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Well this is an interesting thread about Marino's Archive frameset 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 anything times zero is zero? Indeed, so when you take that from 25 you retain that figure. Order of operations and all that crap And indeed, to get back on topic - does Marino advertise on TF now or have the rules on that front chilled out a little? Seems a bit harsh on paying advertisers if not. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbertlemon102 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 (25-15)0 would work, oops haha. I've never seen Marino advertised 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerictgm mk2 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Marino has some Archive frames and forks ready to go, fully heat treated cro mo, weight for my frame is 2.140 kg, which is 4.7 lbs, the Archives will be pretty much the same, as the only difference is minor geo changes. Geo is 980, +20, 74.5, 360 Colours are 1" & 1/8th headset and normal Euro bb in... Orange Purple (Purple frame pictured is not an Archive, it's custom, just for colour purposes until I get sent the pic) Dark green Black gold (Don't ask, I don't know either) Dark blue metallic Candy red Matte black Integrated headset & Euro bb in.. Matte black x3 Black gold Dark blue metallic Blue metallic These are finished and boxed and cost about £250 posted to the UK depending on the exchange rate that day, I have to double check forks but they only work out to an extra £40 or something (410 x 30 disc) so you might as well! As far as I know there are 1 or 2 unpainted ready for requests, and if you go to Marinos Facebook page you'll se more pictures he's uploaded. One advice to Marino: more pics with actual BIKES built on that frames. It's kinda more affect the decision to purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Indeed, so when you take that from 25 you retain that figure. Order of operations and all that crap And indeed, to get back on topic - does Marino advertise on TF now or have the rules on that front chilled out a little? Seems a bit harsh on paying advertisers if not. It is being looked into currently due to this reason 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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