CC12345678910 Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 12 minutes ago, niconj said: It's probably not the Halo spokes* but once one spoke is broken, the ones next to it take a lot of stress as well and break easier. True, but for any application other than a put around town bike I've found the halo steel PG spokes to be utter turd. For me, I spec double butted stainless on any bike that's going to see some hammer. Tarty spec Sapim and Vocal BMX DB stainless being my favourites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 I ordered a hope hub from my lbs right when the 40t came out... But it came as the old model. strong as shit and hasn't been touched since I got it... Would like to try the new one but no reason to get it sadly. Sad to hear bearings blowing out on people...have a feeling I'll get one soon enough. run a Chris king classic from 1998 still on my main bike. Hasn't given me a skip in 18 years, I did break the regular axle and free hub once in that time... But now with a heavy duty axle, thing is a beast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbertlemon102 Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 Best choice I've ever made... Haven't opened it since I got it running. Even though it's 110mm modified. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 On 9/12/2016 at 8:51 AM, AndyT said: I ordered a hope hub from my lbs right when the 40t came out... But it came as the old model. strong as shit and hasn't been touched since I got it... Would like to try the new one but no reason to get it sadly. Sad to hear bearings blowing out on people...have a feeling I'll get one soon enough. run a Chris king classic from 1998 still on my main bike. Hasn't given me a skip in 18 years, I did break the regular axle and free hub once in that time... But now with a heavy duty axle, thing is a beast. I wouldn't worry too much - it's just that the people who have problems shout the loudest. My ProII bearings died after about 16 months when I was riding every day and being rough as shit. Sure, they did die, but I think that's a pretty fair run for saying you can then just pop them out and put fresh ones in and it's as good as new again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperclip Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 On 11/09/2016 at 11:15 PM, CC12345678910 said: True, but for any application other than a put around town bike I've found the halo steel PG spokes to be utter turd. For me, I spec double butted stainless on any bike that's going to see some hammer. Tarty spec Sapim and Vocal BMX DB stainless being my favourites. Agreed, Fair play I am a bigger buy but I haven't had spokes go like this before. My Sapim ones lasted ages and if I broke a spoke I would just swap and carry on. This set of Halo's just seem against me. Also agreed on Flipp's point about you're only going to hear from the negative issues as everyone else has just put a Hope on their bike and forgotten about it. It did just seem that myself, @Dman and a couple of others (I remember Carthy mentioned his bearing cracked on his first Evo model hubs) seemed to get some teething issues. I think its safe to say we didn't get put off by them though you can't beat Hopes service and warranty and when they get it right its right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 The pro4 are a dream come true, no problems, no nasty noises, just perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 2 hours ago, Dman said: The pro4 are a dream come true, no problems, no nasty noises, just perfect. On a street trial. On a comp bike they may have some disadvantages as Flipp pointed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 My pro4 front hub is the bees knees on my street bike. Oh wait I also compete on the street bike??! Arcade fork and through axle is a dream, but wait doesn't that way a ton? Not good for competitions right? Who gives a f**k I still ride better than most pogo puffs with their carbon condom bikes. my hope is on my "comp spec" gu, which sadly hasn't seen 10 minutes of riding since getting my hex..but it's got carbon trial tech bars!? I should've ridden the 19 pound bike for sure..better for comp. I digress... Thinking about getting a monster cross/ touring bike and putting the fewer engagement hope on there, then getting a hope4 for my lightweight competition bike. f**k a freewheel, this isn't 2001. I like putting something on my bike and not touching it for years. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Anyone knows the difference between the Pro 2 and the Pro 4 other than 80 vs. 88 engagement points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onzatpro09 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 45 minutes ago, niconj said: Anyone knows the difference between the Pro 2 and the Pro 4 other than 80 vs. 88 engagement points? Larger diameter spoke flanges that might be slightly wider spaced than the Pro 2. There might be some changes in the bearings too, but I'm not entirely sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) 25 minutes ago, onzatpro09 said: Larger diameter spoke flanges that might be slightly wider spaced than the Pro 2. There might be some changes in the bearings too, but I'm not entirely sure. Thanks. The question is whether 1st: 8 engagement points make a noticeable difference and 2nd whether the Pro 4 is as reliable as the Pro 2. I can imagine that less material is being used to create the 44T ratchet having the same diameter. I don't think that the larger flange diameter makes a stronger wheel or at least the Pro2 has proven to be a very good base for a strong wheel build. Edited September 18, 2016 by niconj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onzatpro09 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 32 minutes ago, niconj said: Thanks. The question is whether 1st: 8 engagement points make a noticeable difference and 2nd whether the Pro 4 is as reliable as the Pro 2. I can imagine that less material is being used to create the 44T ratchet having the same diameter. I don't think that the larger flange diameter makes a stronger wheel or at least the Pro2 has proven to be a very good base for a strong wheel build. I forgot to say that the size of the ratchet has increased too so that the teeth aren't any smaller. I wouldn't say that the 8 engagements would make much difference because 80 is already tonnes, especially when you consider gear ratios. With my Inspired and Pro 2 it works out as about 100 engagements per crank revolution which is plenty already compared to the 110-ish you'd get from a Pro 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gage-mann Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Anyone know how much stronger the reinforcing is on the Evo hubs compared to the version of the pro2 before the Evo with reinforcement? Both Hubs shells have the same ring next to the drive flange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 1 hour ago, onzatpro09 said: 100 engagements per crank revolution which is plenty already compared to the 110-ish you'd get from a Pro 4. How do you calculate this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Engagement points multiplied by gear ratio. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 So I got the Hope Pro 4 Trials hub 8 weeks ago and have been riding a lot lately (in all kind of weather) and as I had to take of the rear wheel today, I checked the bearings and was kinda disappointed. They don't run smooth anymore. They feel like they've been ridden for years. This is a disappointment as I had the same issues with the older pro 2 model some years ago and thought the newer version had better bearings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gage-mann Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Pro4 same problems? I've got the 80 pro2 and had to get a bearing replaced as it went really rough and the wheel was hardly spinning and on installing the new one it was a lot better but not perfect like the bearing was before I installed it into the hub. Guessing some of the hubshells are faulty? Are both hubshell bearings rough or just one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 2 hours ago, gage-mann said: Are both hubshell bearings rough or just one? I don't know as I have spun the wheel in both hands and it just felt rough. It is still turning but far from smooth. I have some cheapo Fulcrum Racing 7CX wheels that are smoother after having ridden them for three winters in all kind of conditions. The entire wheelset cost me less than the Hope hub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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