Disc.Jokie. Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Right but the 820 saint has exactly the same caliper. how do you know this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmtber Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Custom rotor or see if hope or who you bought the hope brake or frame from would either get you a new frame or post mount brake in exchange for the parts that don't fit. Simples but will mean more time of the bike for now. Your dead right, there seem to be a lot of badly made trials parts on the market, but you cant really blame tarty bikes they buy the stuff in and are in the same situation you are put in when they find out there are problems with the parts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disc.Jokie. Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Right but the 820 saint has exactly the same caliper. actually they are not http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/hydraulic_disc_brakes/shimano_saint_m810_no_rotor_or_adaptor/c558p12166.html shimano-saint-disc-brake-caliper-copy-180525-1.jpg (2000×1992) see the saint has 5 bolts going across and the zee has 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 you cant really blame tarty bikes they buy the stuff in and are in the same situation you are put in when they find out there are problems with the parts Not blaming Tarty really nor the seller I bought the frame from. I will ring him tomorrow to see what he has to suggest. actually they are not http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/hydraulic_disc_brakes/shimano_saint_m810_no_rotor_or_adaptor/c558p12166.html shimano-saint-disc-brake-caliper-copy-180525-1.jpg (2000×1992) see the saint has 5 bolts going across and the zee has 2 I was talking about the 640 vs. the 820 caliper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disc.Jokie. Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 but the saint you had before was an m810 so if you'd bought the full thing you would of had the m810 caliper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 but the saint you had before was an m810 so if you'd bought the full thing you would of had the m810 caliper? Please.... do me a favor an read before you write. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Ok so I talked to my dealer and he told me that all the frames he sold only worked with a 175mm disc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 So basically my best bet would be a 175mm rotor? Didn't know something like this existed. Have you come across this problem in your shop when building up Dual Disc Echos? Is there a huge hold/bite difference between a 175mm and a 180mm rotor? Yes. We had them custom made. Yes, hence the info on the website - we either supply the customer a 175mm rotor or ensure they have a post mount brake. The latest batch of frames seems to be fine though, as your friend found. Virtually nothing. As others have said, get a 175mm rotor or get the frame warrantied, two choices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 get a 175mm rotor or get the frame warrantied, two choices Since I wanna ride I ordered a 175 rotor from you already. It still is annoying and the new frames show that Echo knew about this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Yes, it is annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Direske Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) IS2000 calipers are sooooo ´90ish Who the heck even bothers getting an IS2000 caliper these days when there are equal brakes with PM. I'm annoyed by these brakes everytime I get in touch with one and can't think of a reason why someone would torture himself with them nowadays. For the sake of a promissed bit more stiffness? Nope, never felt a Hope IS2000-brake having a more defined pressure point than my XTs (commuter) or XT/Saint (24"). Even though I always face every IS2000 mount on my bikes (+the bikes of customers), service my brakes perfectly well and set them up with perfectly straight rotors, at least 2 out of 5 brakes tend to make noises. Vertical dropouts, a faced IS2000 Mount and a PM-Caliper without any washers is the closest you will ever get to a a quiet+working brake. Period. IS2000 should be banned all over the world due to it containing "IS" anyway! Edited September 22, 2014 by Martin Direske 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 On the front the brake works pretty well and it is IS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Direske Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Yeah.. I haven't seen much forks with horizontal dropouts yet which could have caused the same issue to you lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Yeah.. I haven't seen much forks with horizontal dropouts yet which could have caused the same issue to you lol No. I meant the rubbing issue. As soon as the IS mount was faced, it worked with my trialtech forks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 People have offered so many solutions what more do you need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 ... exactly,thats the reality (explaining that to customers isnt any less hard) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) People have offered so many solutions what more do you need? Just to make it clear. I was answering to Martins post about IS being shit and all. For the record. I bough a 175mm rotor from Tarty which should arrive soon so the problem is solved. Thank you! Edited September 22, 2014 by niconj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 On the front the brake works pretty well and it is IS. It is is what?Stop building up so much tension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 It is is what? Stop building up so much tension. WTF?!!! It is IS (mount). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 It is is what though? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 It is is what though? Are you f**king kidding me? IS as in IS 2000. International Standard 2000.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 It's a load of shite and makes brakes a twat to fit. As you are finding out. Post mount is the way forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 To be fair id rather have a v4 caliper on the rear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Hook line and sinker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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