Clerictgm mk2 Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 What to choose? Now I'm brakeless and almost sold my BB7s. I'll be brakeless until it bores me. And if this happens I need brakes. Want to try hydro again and don't know what to choose. Requirements are approximately as follows: 1) I want the best brakes(+rotors/pads) for street-trials, don't care how much it'll cost me. Would buy only brand new. 2) It must survive at least -25 C cold. That's all. And one more question: what difference between 2 and 4 cylinders? Modulation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack dickinson Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 saint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 saint. Don't work that well at -24°C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack dickinson Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Don't work that well at -24°C. do any hydro brakes? and i don't think he'll be riding at that temp i think he mean he needs something with a fluid that doesn't freeze at -24 degrees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMTRIALS123 Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 It is Russia... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 It is Russia... Even here in Germany -25 isn't that far fetched. In fact, I've ridden various times when it was colder than that (not trials though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 (edited) as far as i remember shimano does rate their brakes in a range from -20 to+50 degrees (okay,high load testing is going to boil the oil,but as an average for the working temp) any colder will make the seals harder,making the pads return slow. but:dont know if 5° would make the difference as so often,pointless post haha Edited September 4, 2014 by FamilyBiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerictgm mk2 Posted September 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 do any hydro brakes? and i don't think he'll be riding at that temp i think he mean he needs something with a fluid that doesn't freeze at -24 degrees -25 mentioned for being pretty warm if calm. This is lowest point of rideable weather at winter. >do any hydro brakes? Of course. Maggie/echo bleeded with antifreeze. I tested it at -36 and no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerictgm mk2 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 So what about cylinders? And why saints better than hope? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perez Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Maybe time to ride indoors heh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerictgm mk2 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) Too expensive(in terms of time and money) for me to rent or buy a premises, equip it for riding. If there was 10-12 trials riders like few years ago it would be a good idea. But now it's not. I like the solidness, look and reliability of hope brakes. But I don't understand how Saints may be so much better like everyone talking about it. It's just a hydraulic press, the most primitive hydraulic system. Edited September 8, 2014 by Clerictgm mk2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 I thought that before I tried saints, I had hope tech3 levers and trialzone calipers, serious brakes, better made, I prefer the direct is mount with no adaptors, better levers and more adjustment but the saints are just better for street trials, they modulate so much better and are powerful, they work better for me anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerictgm mk2 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Latest saints are still good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsquirt Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Yes definitely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) Yes definitely I disagree (two different brakes, caliper of the 820 and the 640 are the same): Zee by niconj, on Flickr Edited September 8, 2014 by niconj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerictgm mk2 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 So this new saints may be crap? Shiiieeeet, I dunno what to buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 So this new saints may be crap? Shiiieeeet, I dunno what to buy. They may be.... Mine was only 1 month old before it happened. The other one was older and not mine. As I have yet to see such a picture of an 810 caliper, I think that those are stronger. Just get a Trialzone with Hope Tech 3 lever and Jitsie pads. These will be the same or even better (as some members on here say). I went back to Racing Line rim brake on the rear for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) The new ones m820's are what I've got, I really like them, the calipers are not the same as the m810's, but still good, I prefer the newer short levers, I ride with someone with the old ones so I have tried both. As Nicon has pointed out they do crack at the post mounts, currently sending my rear back for same reason. Edited September 8, 2014 by Dman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thehiphopsolidier Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Get Hope V4 Tech 3. Downhill Power and replacement parts available. Why do people compare a downhill 4 piston brakewith a 2 piston trial brake?It's not the same.Apples and pears .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 I hate the new short levers which is why I'm still running the older style brake. A trialzone for street will glaze over pretty easily from my experience. You'd be better off with the 4 pot DH brake (although they have too much pad wobble for my liking) I've ordered a new pair of MT5 brakes, might mate them up with my saint levers to get the advantage of the servo wave. If the other MT brakes are anything to go by, power shouldn't be an issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerictgm mk2 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 It seems that I have no choice and must buy Hope. But CYLINDERS, anyone knows something about'em? WHY there are 4 and 2 cylinders brakes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thehiphopsolidier Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 more power and modulation. Power More power More more power More more more power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Yeah but holdwise the Saints are more than enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thehiphopsolidier Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 It´s depends on the rotor and pads not the brake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 M810s, 180 ice tech rotors, goodridge sintered pads. More bite and hold thn you'll ever need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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