harmertrials Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 (edited) Less vibration = less bite, so not really making your brake better, may give better hold but that isnt gonna help if your taking off on a slope.What you're saying doesn't really make sense. On a slope hold is what the brake requires. Anyway, always had absolutely savage brakes without a booster. Can't go wrong with cousts, yellows, adms and trialtech pads. Edited June 14, 2014 by harmertrials 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bint Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 What you're saying doesn't really make sense. On a slope hold is what the brake requires. Anyway, always had absolutely savage brakes. Can't go wrong with cousts, yellows, adms and trialtech pads. Not if the slope is downhill lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmertrials Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 So you don't want your brake to hold on a downhill slope? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 cousts (french ones), magie 4 finger blade. and deng sl cnc'd lever body and maggie slaves. (same setup for both the comp and the pure) had no bite or hold. but change to heatsink yellows and was signifcantly improved. You're doing something wrong! Not if the slope is downhill lol. You want hold on a down slope, that's exactly what you want. Who would want brake slip on a down hold through not having enough hold?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack dickinson Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 You're doing something wrong! what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bint Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 You're doing something wrong! You want hold on a down slope, that's exactly what you want. Who would want brake slip on a down hold through not having enough hold?! But i mean you want the bite when rolling downhill, because if youve got no bite it will slip, hold is for when your hanging off a wall with the opposite force, dunno if im explaining well but whatevs, bite makes your brake work when rolling down hill, hold makes it work the other direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Mandatory to run a booster with an Onza comp as the frame flexes too much, as in like pulling lever to the bars amount of flex. f**king horrible for flex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gentlydoesit Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 I prefer a booster so not all the forces of the brake are put onto the frame. I've ripped mounts out by the root before now, but never with a booster on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 what? Were you running grind? I've just never known anyone to get proper Cousts performing something other than awesome; bite and hold in pretty much any conditions is what they're known for! The fact that you could get neither from these pads would suggest you were doing something wrong... But i mean you want the bite when rolling downhill, because if you've got no bite it will slip, hold is for when your hanging off a wall with the opposite force, dunno if im explaining well but whatevs, bite makes your brake work when rolling down hill, hold makes it work the other direction. I understand what you're trying to say, but you were talking about taking off of a downslope not rolling down one. When you're taking off of a downslope then your wheel is already locked, bite has already taken place and the holding force of the pads is what is holding your wheel still prior to take off. Bite is literally how quickly the pad will lock the wheel, hold is what keeps it from slipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bint Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Were you running grind? I've just never known anyone to get proper Cousts performing something other than awesome; bite and hold in pretty much any conditions is what they're known for! The fact that you could get neither from these pads would suggest you were doing something wrong... I understand what you're trying to say, but you were talking about taking off of a downslope not rolling down one. When you're taking off of a downslope then your wheel is already locked, bite has already taken place and the holding force of the pads is what is holding your wheel still prior to take off. Bite is literally how quickly the pad will lock the wheel, hold is what keeps it from slipping. Yeah exactly, so imagine you had no bite, you wouldnt get to the hold situation without any bite youd be flat on your arse, especially if your wheel is rolling fast, depending on how steep the slope is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack dickinson Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Were you running grind? I've just never known anyone to get proper Cousts performing something other than awesome; bite and hold in pretty much any conditions is what they're known for! The fact that you could get neither from these pads would suggest you were doing something wrong... yes i used to grind my rim but it never used to have any hold what so ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexClare94 Posted June 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 yes i used to grind my rim but it never used to have any hold what so ever I'm pretty sure running cousts on a ground rim would stop you dead on, so I've heard anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack dickinson Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 I'm pretty sure running cousts on a ground rim would stop you dead on, so I've heard anyway not me, i have never had a good brake on my own bike when running cousts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexClare94 Posted June 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 not me, i have never had a good brake on my own bike when running cousts Hmm cousts are supposed to be like best pads going... Maybe the setup you had for your rim brakes wasn't close enough to the rim, may need a wider rim like 32mm+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack dickinson Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Hmm cousts are supposed to be like best pads going... Maybe the setup you had for your rim brakes wasn't close enough to the rim, may need a wider rim like 32mm+ no, i ran them for the best part of 6 months, i tried them with varius different brake setups and were always shit! and there not the best pads it's just what people say, best is personal opinion, and in my opinion heatsink yellows are the best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Less vibration = less bite, so not really making your brake better, may give better hold but that isn't gonna help if you're taking off on a slope. Yeah exactly, so imagine you had no bite, you wouldn't get to the hold situation without any bite you'd be flat on your arse, especially if your wheel is rolling fast, depending on how steep the slope is. You were talking about talking off of a slope, not rolling down it. Make up your mind! Bite yes, will help you lock the wheel. But when taking off of a slope your wheel would be locked and static already, the hold of the pads would be holding the wheel static as it is already locked. You've contradicted yourself, I understand what you were trying to say; but at no point when taking off of a slope do you require bite, to get to the setup and lock the wheel yes. But that wasn't what you were talking about. Setup and take off are two different moves. not me, i have never had a good brake on my own bike when running cousts Jeeez, that's bizarre. I really hate to say it but there must have been something wrong with your setup or something. They really are awesome pads! You weren't running tar like you are now? What rim were you running? Just curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bint Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 (edited) You were talking about talking off of a slope, not rolling down it. Make up your mind! Bite yes, will help you lock the wheel. But when taking off of a slope your wheel would be locked and static already, the hold of the pads would be holding the wheel static as it is already locked. You've contradicted yourself, I understand what you were trying to say; but at no point when taking off of a slope do you require bite, to get to the setup and lock the wheel yes. But that wasn't what you were talking about. Setup and take off are two different moves. Jeeez, that's bizarre. I really hate to say it but there must have been something wrong with your setup or something. They really are awesome pads! You weren't running tar like you are now? What rim were you running? Just curious I meant when taking off from static on a slope, rolling up to the rear wheel, not already on the back wheel. EDIT: How can you say I need to make up my mind, I said "taking off" that for me means standing on your bike, getting on the rear wheel, not already being on the rear wheel preloading for a gap , else id of said preloading. Edited June 14, 2014 by Bint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dngr2self Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 In my opinion cousts, heatsinc yellows and lgms all work just as good as long as the brakes are set up right. To me the brake pads argument is just an excuse for shit riders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 In my opinion cousts, heatsinc yellows and lgms all work just as good as long as the brakes are set up right. To me the brake pads argument is just an excuse for shit riders. This, they're all decent when set up correctly. Just some last longer on a dead grind to others. Can't understand how my ADM's have lasted for so long on a grind on my rim and they are still as savage as the first ride on the fresh grind. So sooooo much more confidence in my riding because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 (edited) not me, i have never had a good brake on my own bike when running cousts I've never had a shit brake when running French cousts. You may have had the heatsink pads, the heatsink cousts are different material, despite what he says, I know this because I've tried both of them on the same rim, with a fresh harsh grind and the heatsink performance was considerably lower. ADM's are ok, but I prefer the bite and hold of French cousts, and when you are a big f**ker like me, it matters lol Edited June 14, 2014 by bing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 ADM's are ok, but I prefer the bite and hold of French cousts, and when you are a big f**ker like me, it matters lol You heard my brake the other day? lol Cousts are decent but the hold suffers when your grind is getting dull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack dickinson Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 I've never had a shit brake when running French cousts. You may have had the heatsink pads, the heatsink cousts are different material, despite what he says, I know this because I've tried both of them on the same rim, with a fresh harsh grind and the heatsink performance was considerably lower. ADM's are ok, but I prefer the bite and hold of French cousts, and when you are a big f**ker like me, it matters lol Jeeez, that's bizarre. I really hate to say it but there must have been something wrong with your setup or something. They really are awesome pads! You weren't running tar like you are now? What rim were you running? Just curious there wasn't, they were real french cousts! and the rim/s were both echo tr 20" and 26". i wasn't using tar either. they just didn't work for me AT ALL. heatsink yellows *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 You weren't fitting the cousts to your Saint were you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Pretty much the ultimate pad and rim combination and it didn't work?! Very very odd. But then you do use tar to make your brake work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexClare94 Posted June 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 Pretty much the ultimate pad and rim combination and it didn't work?! Very very odd. But then you do use tar to make your brake work Putting tar on a ground rim seems like a waste of tar if that's what he did, but Heatsink yellows are good but compared to French Cousts they're nothing on a ground rim, his set up must have been miles off from the rim surely.. My yellows used to slip allot but the brake clamp kept pushing my brake out every time, so I got some more and wow the breaks were immense haha can't wait to trial out these Cousts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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