HippY Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 so just to conclude what this thread is about so far:(Freestyle`r, it is meant to be a joke ) Be a unique rider like a nice butterfly, do the tricks at your own style, and even if top riders think it other way, just enjoy yourself as it is the most important But dont be French. Cos they make horrible videos and smile gay 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Leigh Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 so just to conclude what this thread is about so far:(Freestyle`r, it is meant to be a joke ) Be a unique rider like a nice butterfly, do the tricks at your own style, and even if top riders think it other way, just enjoy yourself as it is the most important But dont be French. Cos they make horrible videos and smile gay agreed! haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 I gave a 40% positive comment I hate to disagree with the goofy riding Ali, but being goofy opens more lines. I think because you don't ride/ ride with bmx/ers you haven't taken into account what goofyness is done. Goofy spins, goofy pegged, goofy whipped, goofy bars, goofy turn bars. (Some people even turndown the same way they x-up, and x-up different to barspinning. I also know a guy who can only kickflip in switch). There is no pattern to who does each of those in any manor of ways. It makes tricks harder or easier, whether they be harder or easier can then become irrelevant because then they start new combos that are amazing, but because of that become untouchable by those who aren't goofy. And even when a regular rider can do that combo it looses all flow in comparison to the goofy rider. Imo the regular rider gets the cake, purely because it was a harder move. Just to throw another loop into it, opposite can become easier when in switch. I'm all for style, but i need 50/50. Good trick must be done good. Otherwise it's 'second prize' as Rowlands would call it. non goofy riding looks so so so much better though, especially in trials when people pedal into spins. How does goofy riding offer more lines? I'd have said it offers fewer. My favourite bmxers are all ones that don't do many tricks but just find unique lines and style the f**k out of them. I'd say style is 65% and tricks 35%. Some tricks just look so crap whereas a simple table or just tucked hop will always look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 non goofy riding looks so so so much better though, especially in trials when people pedal into spins. How does goofy riding offer more lines? I'd have said it offers fewer. My favourite bmxers are all ones that don't do many tricks but just find unique lines and style the f**k out of them. I'd say style is 65% and tricks 35%. Some tricks just look so crap whereas a simple table or just tucked hop will always look good. I think when it comes to trials riders, they struggle with style in general when doing tricks, paired with the awkwardness of doing stuff the wrong way they do come out looking quite odd. I think rockwalks/ 360 dropins always look pants for example when someone on a long bike does them, not to say, done by the right person they do look good though. A good example regarding the goofy line up of moves being easier, a good friend who used to ride, x-up'd the wrong way. We were both lefties and lefty pegged. He could do the x-up coping grinds with ease, i on the other hand would almost certainly go hip to copin or slide out when we did games of bike. But i could come in from double pegs into x-ups, something that he wouldn't consider purely cause it was sketchy enough regular. But he never would have the disadvantage of doing other lip tricks to it, if he chose. While he could theoretically do double pegs and come in x-up'd, it wouldn't be flowed and would have to lift the front to before even dropping in, among turning the bars 270*. The same would apply if i were to do x-up double pegs, i'd have to disengage from the coping before even dropping in. If that's a mind boggle, don't worry. It's not a common trick While that took some serious bad explanation, i don't fancy doing any others! As for offering more lines, my examples are the people who ride the traditional 2 pegs/ 1 brake. As a 4 pegged 2 braked rider generally doesn't have any limitations to what they would like to learn but still applies as they do have the chocolate foot/side to quote Hans Rey. The sheer ease of the tricks being easier offers the extra lines. Pegs to easy way becomes even easier with goofs, allowing an extra trick/ lip trick and manual out. While hard way becomes harder, going hardway to/ with something else is hard to begin with regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 seems that goofy is an advantage in grinds then? Other than grinds I can't see goofy being an advantage really, doing whips in spins, or turndowns etc would be pretty hard if you were goof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben duda Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 What makes it goofy? I fear for I maybe goofy n not 1 of the cool kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 goofy is just doing things the "wrong way". Like standing on a snowboard right foot forward rather than left or spinning towards your good foot as your preferred way rather than towards your bad foot like most people (especially in BMX). Not to be confused with doing things "opposite" which is when you spin the "correct" way normally, but change it up by spinning the opposite way to make it harder. Trials tends to make people spin goofy, it did with me. The whole sidehopping to the bad foot side makes you tuck on the other side of the bike which naturally makes you want to twist the bike that way in hops....same with pedal kicks, it's a hell of a lot easier to pedal kick (in gaps or spins) towards your good foot side. I spent about a year re-learning to tuck to the other side of the bike and spin the other way as I think it looks better and helps with 360s and manual 180s and a whole lot more. The only thing is that it makes 360 pedal kick drops a lot harder (Like Vasha does) and I really wish I could do those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 What happens if I do it goofy opposite to make it harder? Or do I lose points for actually making it easier/better? Not that spinning has ever been something I can do well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 the world implodes if that happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatJsy Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Not sure I agree with the whole goofy thing, I've not come across any instances of people being "picked on" because of it and it's actually really common in BMX. With guys like Aitken, Dugan or Ben Wallace to name a few riding this way it's nothing to be ashamed of. Also don't agree with re learning things just because it's not "the right way" - the right way is whatever way feels good to you. Also about the footjam whips, I learnt them both ways and found using your opposite foot makes catching the bike a lot easier/cleaner looking so once again - the right foot to use is whatever foot you feel more comfortable using. Even in BMX, I find switch footed footjam whips feel and look cooler. At the end of the day, you can ride your bike whatever way you want and there's no reason doing things f*ck footed will look worse than doing them the correct way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 You kind of get that weird frog leg thing (can't think of how to describe it) with goofy footjamwhips though. If you look at a 'regular' one compared to a 'goofy' one, you just get a way nicer stance on the 'regular' one because of the way you step over the bike and push through it, not to mention front foot ones mean you have to have your foot pointing inward but it seems almost everyone who does them back foot does them with their foot pointing outwards (which seems to contribute to said frog leg thing - same way when people run their bars upside down they automatically do that weird elbows out stance because of the way they have to grip their bars). If you watch any Eddie Cleveland video you'll see what I mean, or one of Matt Roe's more recent ones where he does them both ways. The 'regular' ones just have a much nicer stance. It looks like they go better with spins too because of the way you're stepping over and using the whip of the back end of the bike to get the rotation going. If you're doing it all goof then I guess that's not a problem, but it also won't look as nice Not that that's really a massive problem though... If you do them backfoot, you can't do them like you can at 0:34 in this which means you're missing out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Not sure I agree with the whole goofy thing, I've not come across any instances of people being "picked on" because of it and it's actually really common in BMX. With guys like Aitken, Dugan or Ben Wallace to name a few riding this way it's nothing to be ashamed of. Also don't agree with re learning things just because it's not "the right way" - the right way is whatever way feels good to you. Also about the footjam whips, I learnt them both ways and found using your opposite foot makes catching the bike a lot easier/cleaner looking so once again - the right foot to use is whatever foot you feel more comfortable using. Even in BMX, I find switch footed footjam whips feel and look cooler. At the end of the day, you can ride your bike whatever way you want and there's no reason doing things f*ck footed will look worse than doing them the correct way. I re-learnt things because I became aware of the whole goofy thing (thanks Mark!) and I wasn't happy doing stuff goofy knowing I could do something about it. Like my hops......I used to hop and tuck to my sidehop side of my bike which was effective at getting height but meant I couldn't 180 at any decent height as I was spinning the other way by then. I forced myself to tuck to the other side and my hops went really shit for a few months, but now they are back to the same height but with the added bonus of being able to 180 stuff pretty high too. Other people probably don't feel the same and are happy to carry on regardless but in my mind I was effectively "cheating" at some stuff and I couldn't accept doing it. I've shot myself in the foot in a way as I struggle doing a lot of things that could easily be done goof (and I'm currently trying to teach myself to downside footjam whip the correct way which is proving tricky). I feel people are thinking I'm making up rules to ride by which I'm not, go ride your bike anyway you want but some riders might not know the whole goofy thing and if they are like me might want to do something about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatJsy Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Going off topic a bit now but man I wish EC still rode properly! Once again, I disagree with the frog legged thing. You can easily do them with your foot pointing whichever way. Just had a thought - that footjam whip you pointed out where he catches it before going back in - I want to see it done on a brakeless 24" off some drop! I reckon that'd look awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 The foot's only one part of it though - you still kick into it differently because of the different way you're stepping over the bike/kicking the back end round, and that's the bit I'm not really keen on. "De gustibus non est disputandum" and all that... Word about Eddie Cleveland though, sucks his back f**ked him up so much. I used to watch the Lotek Mixtape and Mosh 'So Freestyle' videos all the time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatJsy Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Word about Eddie Cleveland though, sucks his back f**ked him up so much. I used to watch the Lotek Mixtape and Mosh 'So Freestyle' videos all the time... this is one of my favourites - golden era of bmx! haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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