Street Trial - I Will Not Be Broken - Y.Triboulat

[Greetings]

A bit meh. He's a very good rider but I haven't seen anything fresh from him for a long time now. Just seems like he's stuck doing the same things over and over again. Or it's something else, I'm a bit confused.

[chimpanzyyyy]

A bit meh. He's a very good rider but I haven't seen anything fresh from him for a long time now. Just seems like he's stuck doing the same things over and over again. Or it's something else, I'm a bit confused.

to me there's a gigantic gap between his skills and the overall quality of his vids

everytime a new vid comes out I can't help but be excited and everytime I m disapointed despite how good he is as a rider

in all fairness though, french vids aren't usually what I enjoy the most (there's some exceptions of course)

for example, I do enjoy this old vid of bruno arnold and giaco (but maybe it's because I m old...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EJL_RoZtKI

[manuel]

They should hire Mark Westlake to film and edit a movie for them, so they finally got some serious viewing.

Unfortunately I don't think that would work. He obviously rides how he wants, you couldn't do a video where the camera man tells the rider the line...

[Perez]

to me there's a gigantic gap between his skills and the overall quality of his vids

everytime a new vid comes out I can't help but be excited and everytime I m disapointed despite how good he is as a rider

in all fairness though, french vids aren't usually what I enjoy the most (there's some exceptions of course)

for example, I do enjoy this old vid of bruno arnold and giaco (but maybe it's because I m old...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EJL_RoZtKI

Hahahah! I have that opinion too, best french video ever! And there is a line that Bruno does on this clip that i never get to see another rider doing it, EVER! The nose fakie without the hops, i remember first time i watch this i was like.. WTF??! And this video got at least 10 years!

[chimpanzyyyy]

Unfortunately I don't think that would work. He obviously rides how he wants, you couldn't do a video where the camera man tells the rider the line...

I do not totally agree with that

if mark westlake film and edit a vid of Rowan J

or if the french dude film and edit a vid of Rowan J

= not the same result

I remember Andrew Tonkery saying something about how important the edit and the tune is for a vid to look good.

[Ross McArthur]

I think you were missing the point Chimpy.

Some people think his ridings good (to watch), others dont.

A French dude can film him doing a 360 out of a quarter in a skate park and it would look shit. Mark can film him doing a 360 out of a quarter in a skate park and... you get the idea.

Edited April 11, 2014 by Ross McArthur

[Perez]

The riding is very important, but sometimes the riding is huge, but the feeling and soul of the video is shit.

You know its a good video when after you see it you have an urge in riding your bike. No matter the riding, good music and some good lines make this happen

If Mark would film them, im very sure that the final result would be a surprise, just not because of his filming and editing skills, but as he would advice some creative lines were they can throw some bang tricks and lines they have.

Mark my words. Ahaha

[chimpanzyyyy]

I think you were missing the point Chimpy.

Some people think his ridings good (to watch), others dont.

A French dude can film him doing a 360 out of a quarter in a skate park and it would look shit. Mark can film him doing a 360 out of a quarter in a skate park and... you get the idea.

yeah I get that

I was refering to Andrew Tonkery as he has released some of the best vid of Vincent Hermance, and yet at the same time some other dude were making vid of him that were quite shit;

Same rider, same skills and yet not the same result

As mentioned above, maybe Triboulat enjoys his riding as it is and has not intention to change anything.

But I would be curious to see a compilations of his best riding clips filmed and edited by someone of Marc westlake caliber.

[Ali C]

I've seen on FB that the French are thinking the English are being harsh and I'd have to agree. I think a bit of constructive criticism is cool but keep the abuse down.

Personally my point of view on the French is that they love riding (probably more than I do) and obviously put in tonnes of practice on tricks and stuff but they seem to lack a bit of quality control. To me riding is about HOW it's done rather than WHAT is done. I see so many riders concentrate on tricks rather than flow or style. It's almost like some riders see another rider do a 360 then that is the goal. They will eventually do a 360 but maybe with a pedal kick, or spin the wrong way or land in a back pivot.......the end result is a 360 and the rider will be happy but they've missed out on the whole point of doing it in the first place.

There's loads of people who spin the wrong way, sort it out! I used to spin goofy but it meant I couldn't bunnyhop properly (which is why a lot of people bitch crank out of manual 180s or just in spins in general) I re-learnt to spin the other way...it doesn't take too long.

A lot of riders don't seem to get the idea of flow either and will do a line but stop and hop....hopping is correcting mistakes..the fewer hops you do the better the riding is and the faster things are done which looks better.

I don't want to hurt anyone's feeling if I ever criticise their riding, I just want to help people improve so I can enjoy their videos more.

[JD™]

What's the right way to spin? Towards or away from the front foot?

Good points on the rest, which is why I only commented on the weight bit, because it's gay.

[Ali C]

Here's an example......it's like in BMX, UK are the street riders all about the style and location et the expense of being a bit nibbly at times ......the French are like the Park riders, a little too focused on the tricks but can do some pretty ridiculous stuff but often land flat rather than in the transition.

What's the right way to spin? Towards or away from the front foot?

Good points on the rest, which is why I only commented on the weight bit, because it's gay.

away

I'm right footed and spin to the left.

[JD™]

Cool, just making sure I hadn't been failing for any reason other than a lack of commitment, skill, and general positivity towards riding

[Ali C]

Danny is a little to blame for people doing the things the way they do too, because Danny grew up on an island and didn't really know about how stuff was done he taught himself. this has made his style unique but not necessarily correct. This has had the side effect of everyone copying they way he does stuff (like using the wrong foot to footjam whip and stuff) Danny also spins a bit goofy at times but I think he's pretty much capable of spinning any direction he chooses.

[ben_travis]

Don't worry trials forum, ali hasnt offended danny with his words above. Danny can't hear him from the sound of all the money he is bathing in...

Please note that this picture is not an actual representation of Daniel Macaskill. Daniel does not condone smoking or drinking while in the bath. This could lead to disastrous Whitney Houston like consequences. Furthermore the use of £20 notes as a water replacement for bathing is considered dangerous by Daniel, Who only washes in £50's as they are less likely to cause paper cuts.

Edited April 11, 2014 by ben_travis

[Ali C]

Hey, I'm all for Danny's riding, it's unreal! But just because he does stuff a certain way doesn't mean it's the best/correct way to do it

[Ross McArthur]

I've seen on FB that the French are thinking the English are being harsh.

I'm Scottish. And who decided anyway was the wrong way? You? Haha!

[bikeperson45]

(like using the wrong foot to footjam whip

I agree with you except for this, not lifting the other foot across makes them look way smoother

[Matthew62]

I'm Scottish. And who decided anyway was the wrong way? You? Haha!

They must think you're being nice then…come September pal, people won't be making this audacious mistake anymore!!!

Viva la independence.

[Ali C]

I'm Scottish. And who decided anyway was the wrong way? You? Haha!

In the BMX world people give each other loads of stick for doing stuff goofy, at lot of stuff is waaaay easier to do with a bitch crank and stuff so it's cool when people do stuff the harder IE better way.

I agree with you except for this, not lifting the other foot across makes them look way smoother

The only thing with using the left foot is it can only be done with brakes, you are stuffed if you ever want to do them brakeless or on a quarter.....using the other foot is future proofing your riding

[JJ Leigh]

away

I'm right footed and spin to the left.

shit! i done something right for once!

[Perez]

Ali as hurt my feelings!

[Rusevelt]

I will not be broken, is almost like a defiant statement to all the haters.

[1a2bcio8]

The thing is Ali, you're talking as though you've tapped into the way bikes are supposed to be rode. Actually, your way is just one choice. It's also the choice I prefer but, nonetheless, that's just about our preferences and has nothing to with how bikes *should* be ridden.

I think some things in life matter the same for pretty much all human beings but how you like to ride your bike is not one of them.

[Mark W]

Ali's kind of right though in the sense that certain moves can be linked much, much better if they're done a certain way. However, I know this is going to go down a semantics road that I have no interest in

I think I overheard this video being watched earlier on, and from what I heard I wasn't that interested to actually watch it. Said it before - it'd just be cool to get a no-bullshit video from these dudes. No doubles stuff, no weird nature stuff, no weird looks to the camera, no 'storyline', etc. The last 4 videos I've seen (and heard ) featuring Yohan have had some piece-to-camera bit now.

If this video is apparently aimed at non-riders, it seems weird to put the 'training' side of stuff in as surely that's something that could potentially alienate people? If I thought that part of riding involved having to go and do some weights and gym work I'm not it would really have seemed as fun or enjoyable overall. To that JJ Leigh dude - the reason that the Imaginate video had that web series build up was because Red Bull had spent a lot of money making it work and presumably wanted to get their moneys-worth out of it. It also had a fairly interesting back story to it. I don't think it's necessarily a fair comparison.

Also, this thread was weird to read.

[eskimo]

I gave a 40% positive comment

I hate to disagree with the goofy riding Ali, but being goofy opens more lines. I think because you don't ride/ ride with bmx/ers you haven't taken into account what goofyness is done.

Goofy spins, goofy pegged, goofy whipped, goofy bars, goofy turn bars. (Some people even turndown the same way they x-up, and x-up different to barspinning. I also know a guy who can only kickflip in switch). There is no pattern to who does each of those in any manor of ways. It makes tricks harder or easier, whether they be harder or easier can then become irrelevant because then they start new combos that are amazing, but because of that become untouchable by those who aren't goofy. And even when a regular rider can do that combo it looses all flow in comparison to the goofy rider. Imo the regular rider gets the cake, purely because it was a harder move. Just to throw another loop into it, opposite can become easier when in switch.

I'm all for style, but i need 50/50. Good trick must be done good. Otherwise it's 'second prize' as Rowlands would call it.