Greetings Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 People are getting at the point around 4 months after the arcade has come out, ozonys have released a steel street trials frame with what looks like a very steep headtube and very bmx influenced design. It took inspired ages to come up with this idea and design and yada yada yada I can't be bothered Ok, I take your point - yes, a 74.5HA is unique. And being a test model, it's highly likely that the Ozonys was drawn up after the release of the Arcade. So that's one thing, a fairly major one but just one. The BB rise looks completely different so at the end of the day, these two bikes will ride differently. And since the bike is the sum of it's geometry, not each measurement separately, I stand by my initial statement. Perhaps Ozonys's lower BB rise is an improvement over the Arcade? I'm sure there are riders out there who will find the Ozonys better in some respects, and the Arcade in others. On that basis, Ozonys have improved on the design from the point of view of those riders, who prefer a more streety bike. But because Inspired is British, this is a British forum and Ozonys is French, some people will look far too deep into this matter. There's one more way of looking at this. There's always going to be a company which does something first and therefore there's always going to be a company which does it second. This is the one which will get a bashing - however they came up with the idea, they are second and therefore basing their findings on something that already exists. Note that this has happened to absolutely every single measurement of a bike. There was a first 55mm BB rise frame, a first 1085mm wheelbase frame, a first 372mm CS stock frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perez Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 This is more of a nowadays street steel bike than a street trials bike. And that seat kills the bike, so fockin horrid! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 I'm still confused as to why in the interview it states it's an expensive build with top end components and it's running MT2's?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Agreed that the saddle looks terrible although I bet there’s room to tilt it a little more without it hitting the tyre so it looked more acceptable. Some people can get carried away with saddle angle. Ive seen a few that looked more like a beckoning erection waiting to be mounted. Thats the way I see it anyway I don’t know what the geo is but it looks more like my Marino Archive geo than Inspireds Arcade geo. For me the Arcade has a little too much reach (im a short ars) so this Ozonys I-Ron* (*I can’t say it any other way) would be better for the shorter street rider? I don’t think the BB looks too low. The reason the earlier 24" street bikes had +35bb was to bring the bb up to the same height as a 26" with around +10, which was considered "streety" for a 26". It was soon realised this didn’t have to be the case and the BB heights were dropped to give a more "standing in the bike" feeling rather than a "standing over the bike" feeling. Im loving the idea of those forks. Sure, it would suck if that thread got damaged but I bet it feels solid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gibbs Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 These 24" topics keep me amused for hours!! Going back to who started what debate, didn't Mr Ashton release the first 24" with the ET back in '03? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gibbs Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 These 24" topics keep me amused for hours!! Going back to who started what debate, didn't Mr Ashton release the first 24" with the ET back in '03? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 These 24" topics keep me amused for hours!! Going back to who started what debate, didn't Mr Ashton release the first 24" with the ET back in '03? It's not a case of that though, and everyone complaining about all new 24's being labelled as rip-off's of Inspireds are missing the point. Of course Inspired didn't invent the 24, and there have been steel alternatives (albeit in homemade form) from Leeson and Marino, but big trials companies didn't copy those did they? When your only option to get a steel street bike was to go to Peru and get something close-to-custom geo then companies such as Oznoys weren't in the least bit interested. Then Inspired decide to make a go of this whole 24" thing and seem to be doing fairly well at it then all of a sudden it's 24" time for everyone. My point is when it was seen as commercially viable (which has only come about due to Inspired being fastidious in their design and approach) then it was an area of interest for other companies. It all just seems a bit lazy and very clearly the same amount of attention and detail hasn't been put in so it does very much come across as a copy (in essence). There's also the fact that it looks absolutely shite. The gussets are abysmal and not in keeping with a street/BMX aesthetic, the seat tube thing has already been covered (I mean look at it!) and it;s once again just in poor taste. They always seem to just miss the point and end up making a something compromised that is just wide of the mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gibbs Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 I agree it's hideous! As the saying goes imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Inspired have done their home work and it shows. It was inevitable others would copy inspired's frames. I for one can't afford an inspired so my option is Marino. I can see the other brands try and fail to copy the element/fourplay/arcade/Skye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gibbs Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) But having said that I guess everyone will do what they want irrelevant of what we say on here... Edited March 11, 2014 by Scott Gibbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shercofray Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 In any business, if a company makes a product and the market takes off, which it has, there will be companies that come and release similar products to get some of the market share. That's life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake. Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 The only thing I like about this is the paint job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 In any business, if a company makes a product and the market takes off, which it has, there will be companies that come and release similar products to get some of the market share. That's life. No ones disputing that, but it's not exactly a sound business model or any basis for continued future success. I mean plain and simply how many Inspireds do you see out and about? How many King of Dunce's or whatever they're called do you see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 No ones disputing that, but it's not exactly a sound business model or any basis for continued future success. I mean plain and simply how many Inspireds do you see out and about? How many King of Dunce's or whatever they're called do you see? I know loads of people with inspireds, however I only know of two people with a king of dunce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shercofray Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 No ones disputing that, but it's not exactly a sound business model or any basis for continued future success. I mean plain and simply how many Inspireds do you see out and about? How many King of Dunce's or whatever they're called do you see? I completely agree, thousands of business are formed on this premise though. Think how many companies have launched tablets since the iPad. Most aren't as good, yet SOME people still buy them. Yes there are more Inspireds because they have the major share of the market. Basic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaotic3vil Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) Frames with 74/75º seat-tube angle look weird. Really like the laid back stance that 71/71º STa gives. As for the change of the head-tube angle, seems that they went for the right direction. Edited March 11, 2014 by Chaotic3vil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 This is more of a nowadays street steel bike than a street trials bike. Not particularly - most street frames have slacker angles (e.g. NS Bikes Capital frame having a 70° head angle) which also mean that you get a super short reach, different frame heights/proportions, different dropout spacing and slotting, different BB types and different head tubes. Most of them would probably feel shit with a rigid fork too. This is a pretty natural evolution for geo for street trials frames now. For front wheel moves steeper head angles are way better, for manuals and bunnyhops slightly shorter rear ends are better - something which also makes them nicer for backhop stuff too. Not having a really high BB like older frames had gives you a nicer stance on the bike, and not going super low like most street MTB frames means that they feel way more flicky/nimble and also gives you a nicer feel for trialsy moves. The finish of this bike is interesting, but it seems like a bit more attention to detail would've improved the whole bike quite a lot. Same seat tube height/angle/position that Ozonys and TMS seem to go for, budget looking gusset (on a 'high end' bike, doing that 'drill out some holes' thing doesn't really cut it), fairly industrial looking front axle/dropout setup when compared to how other companies do it, weirdly positioned/shaped fork disc mount, etc. It just seems kind of rushed considering how reasonably well thought out their normal trials parts are. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 I completely agree, thousands of business are formed on this premise though. Think how many companies have launched tablets since the iPad. Most aren't as good, yet SOME people still buy them. Yes there are more Inspireds because they have the major share of the market. Basic. I was going to use that analogy… my point is they have the market share for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Booth Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Is it only me that thinks it's wrank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Ironically, bearing in mind what I said in my last post, Ozonys have gone for 0mm BB rise according to Tribalzine. 975mm wheelbase, 360mm CS and +0mm BB... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 sounds like a frame in the style of a ns capital. pure street,nope,next one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Leigh Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 The only thing I like about this is the paint job. suppose, but imagine how weird that'd look in public! that's what id think anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsMatt Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 would love to see an onza rip in those colours, bet it would ride well gud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Guess it was only a matter of time before this Oil Slick coating would make it's way onto a trials bike. Would love to see an Inspired Arcade set-up like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HippY Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Guess it was only a matter of time before this Oil Slick coating would make it's way onto a trials bike. Would love to see an Inspired Arcade set-up like this what is this technique, who can make it and for how much ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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