niconj Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 (edited) So I've built up my Because Simple Trials bike and have opted for a 150x25° stem and a Tensile 99 bar. Now I went out yesterday with a couple of experienced guys and they told me that I should get a higher (and longer) stem. The reason they told me is that on the rear wheel I'm not straight enough and my elbows aren't in a 90° angle (more like 110° or sth.). I also feel as if I'm pulled down to the front whenever I'm on the rear-wheel. Now I tried a guys bike (26'') that had a longer and steeper stem and it felt more secure on the back (I know that it might be only the different geometry of this bike). Anyways, I narrowed it down to 2 stems. The Trialtech 165x35° and the Echo TR 170x30° but am uncertain. Here's the comparison of the two with the current one: Trialtech Echo Comparison of the two: Any suggestions? Thanks, Nico. Edited February 15, 2014 by niconj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 I ran a 150mm x 35° on my 24 which was about +60 with 30mm of stackers. Have you tried just changing the bar angle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Trialtech stems are sound. The onza is the exact same but cheaper. Worth considering. What's the geo of the frame again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted February 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 (edited) I ran a 150mm x 35° on my 24 which was about +60 with 30mm of stackers. Have you tried just changing the bar angle? I have. It doesn't feel much different. Trialtech stems are sound. The onza is the exact same but cheaper. Worth considering. What's the geo of the frame again? Head angle :72° Wheelbase:1050MM BB:60MM Chain stays:367MM Edited February 15, 2014 by niconj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Try the 165x35, always a good one. What bars are you running? Bar angle makes all Yeh difference though. Depends if you want spinny or hoppy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinkdougie Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 I have a Brother 150x30 stem and trial tech high rise handle bars for sale if your interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted February 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 (edited) Try the 165x35, always a good one. What bars are you running? a Tensile 99 bar. I want to be more stable on the back. Edited February 15, 2014 by niconj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilf Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I'm running a 165mm x 35° stem with a VIz 720mm bar on my Echo 24", I think its just about right. Going to a 150mm x 32° K2 stem with Trialtech high rise bars soon so it shouldn't be far off the same, will have room for a few stackers if needs be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted February 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 (edited) Damn it! So how does the bar affect the geometry/riding? Mine is 720mm w/ 9° back- and 9° upsweep. Going to a 150mm x 32° K2 stem Give me your 165x35° stem then. Edited February 16, 2014 by niconj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmtber Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I really like the tryall forged really long so i can still run a non highrise bar. And still feel good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted February 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 (edited) Here's a video of myself doing some BWHs. Maybe you could tell me if a longer and steeper stem would help at all. Beware, I'm a beginner (half a year) and don't know very much and it might just be the lack of technique, rather than a different stem. http://videos.mtb-news.de/embed/player/33952 Edited February 16, 2014 by niconj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 How tall are you? I'd say the angle on that stem is far too low though technique does come into it a bit as you should be further over the back wheel. A 165mm x 35° will make a big difference though it'll feel worse on 2 wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted February 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 5'11''. I'll get the trialtech 165x35° then. It's not too expensive... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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