benv Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Hi, I've just bought a 2012 fourplay, it's got slx crank arms on hope bb and slx brakes. I'll upgrade crank arms later but I think brakes need doing asap. I can't decide between the saints or vee's, I can get a pair of vee's for £100 less than saints. Are saints worth the extra cash? Thanks if anyone can help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williams Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 No need to upgrade the cranks. What disc rotor size are you planning to run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benv Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 There's 180 ice tech on at the moment front and back, been told they will be good enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 is your current set up working properly or is it not performing right? seems silly to be changing stuff out straight away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benv Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 No it's slipping, been told slx isn't good for trials at all so thought should upgrade. Don't want to spend extra money on new pads etc if they're not a good enough brake to start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Get the Zee (if that is what you want having written vee in your post). The caliper is the same and as far as breaking power is concerned, the zee is a saint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benv Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I meant zee, I've heard they are harder to lock up compared to saints also hardly any adjustment. They are £100 a pair cheaper though but don't want to get if will regret not buying saints later on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) I meant zee, I've heard they are harder to lock up compared to saints also hardly any adjustment. They are £100 a pair cheaper though but don't want to get if will regret not buying saints later on? As I wrote, the caliper is the same except for the decals. As far as the lever is concerned, the Zee is lacking the free stroke adjustment, which no one needs anyways. cf. BL-M640 vs. BL-M820. That being said, you could also build your own 810 saint, which is better than the 820 as far as trials is concerned (or so I've heard). Just buy a 810 lever from Taiwan, take BH90 hose and connect it to a Zee caliper (or Saint, as the price is basically the same). That's what I did. Edited February 13, 2014 by niconj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benv Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Good idea, where are you getting similar price on saint and vee calipers? I'm getting vee a lot cheaper. Is the vee lever no good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) Good idea, where are you getting similar price on saint and vee calipers? I'm getting vee a lot cheaper. Is the vee lever no good? In Germany the Z!!!!ee caliper costs the same as the Saint. As I said, the Zee lever is almost the same. To be honest, since the free stroke adjustment has been widely criticized by many MTB riders, I don't see why you would want to buy a Saint. It's more expensive and has the same performance as the Zee. Edited February 13, 2014 by niconj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benv Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Thanks, I'll have a look at the zee tomorrow at my local shop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dk2 Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 just go for a used set of saints...if not then new ZEE ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HippY Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 at CRC you can get Zee calipers for £60, You can get M810 levers for £20, cable for £10, and you just need to bleed it.. I would go for the Zee, and If I see, that it is not sufficient or I would have more money, then I would go for the M810 levers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 that it is not sufficient or I would have more money, then I would go for the M810 levers Where do you get the 810 levers for 20? Also, the Zee has more power than the 810 Saint. It's just the lever that sucks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benv Posted February 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 That wouldn't be bad, buying the zee and if needed could buy 810 levers at later date. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benv Posted February 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Also don't want second hand as don't know how they have been looked after, seals etc can't be bought for the shimanos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsbikingnunn Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) i read in Mountain Biking UK magazine this month a review on alot of different disc brakes. it showed how heavy they are and the power(nm) that they gave out and to my surprise, even though the Zee's are around £100 cheaper than the saints, they give out 1nm of power more than the saints, so effectively they are the same brakes, just one is alot cheaper Edited February 14, 2014 by trialsbikingnunn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benv Posted February 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Yes I saw that, apparently the saint is a bling version of the vee. I have just left my lbs with a nice new set of vee's so will put them on tomorrow and post pics. I've also bought some new vee discs as the ice tech feel very flimsy to me, I may be wrong but they're contaminated anyway and thought I'd try the vee discs to compare. Thanks everyone for inputZees, bloody auto correct on phone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Zee zee zee zee zee... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benv Posted February 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Nice shiny new zee's, thanks for helping with a choice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HippY Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 how do they feel? is there any rocking in the pads? Any impression? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benv Posted February 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Haven't been out on it yet, just stood on it in kitchen and held brakes. Lever is sift but bites well, haven't noticed any rock yet. Will try and get out in it later and then I can say more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benv Posted February 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Also need to shorten rear hose but haven't got a bleed kit yet so that will have to wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HippY Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 on maggies you do not need to rebleed at hose shortening, as vaccum keeps the oil in the system, not sure how it works at discs... Is it that long? Personally I do not shorten my hoses, as less place to make a fault, and at 24 it handy for framespins and handlebar spins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Shimano doesn't need a rebleed after shortening either if you take care while doing it. I'd recommend the little plastic cup and some mineral oil though because it is very likely that you get a little air in when shortening at the top (where it's done). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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