ogre Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 when i ride for continued periods my back wheel will move in my dropouts (horizontal dropouts) i have echo steel notched cams, they can put the wheel in a position that is right, but it always manages to move, and i have to adjust every half hour or so, is there anything that can be done? i've tried threadloc, greasing inside the bolt collar. i'm running these collars thinking the serrated bit might help but i can still wiggle my wheel free with a bit of beefing about.... my axle isn't so long that exceeds the dropout either. usually when i come to adjust it one cam won't even be touching the bolt it's supposed to. my dropouts look fine too, they aren't chewed up and dogged by any stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake. Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Try hitting the snail cams with a hammer and screwdriver gently once you tighten the bolts up, worked for me a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted January 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 i think the hub is moving backwards though =/ would longer bolts let me clamp the wheel better? i wondered about putting some gnurled washers between my wheel and frame... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 i think the hub is moving backwards though =/ would longer bolts let me clamp the wheel better? i wondered about putting some gnurled washers between my wheel and frame... If you have smooth hub washers then adding some serrated washers will deffo help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valk Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 You know I get the same problem on my echo 24" I've tried everything but it always seems to move, especially considering I'm smooth and gentle as an anvil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williams Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 I got the tip from mark W to grease my bolts alot and use a longer allen key, works for meeee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gentlydoesit Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Post a pic dude, I have a cheeky solution in mind for mine... might work on yours too, I'd need a look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted January 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 i'm not quite sure what you'd want a pic of? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gentlydoesit Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 The dropout, square on and birds eye. Pm'd with my idea feel free to take the piss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_Trials Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Can depend on what snail cams you're running. If you don't have to move your chain far back it may worth getting some smaller cams. Also, check you've got the cams on the right way. Can make a real big difference if you've them on the wrong way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Can depend on what snail cams you're running. If you don't have to move your chain far back it may worth getting some smaller cams. Also, check you've got the cams on the right way. Can make a real big difference if you've them on the wrong way around. What is "the right way"? I've just bought these and didn't quite know, which way to mount them (bolts outside). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Grind a small notch in ur snail cam where the bolt head will be only about 1mm it's just enought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) Grind a small notch in ur snail cam where the bolt head will be only about 1mm it's just enought But mine already have notches... Edited January 15, 2014 by niconj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gentlydoesit Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Will that help the wheel slipping backwards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 But mine already have notches... Does your wheel move ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials hoe Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Wasn't there a similar topic a while back? Sure it was jakes because mod...was that not due to a cracked cs, had a look for any? Or serrated washers either side of the dropouts might fix it, if it's just a case of hub slippage in the dropouts. I've noticed dropouts aren't perfectly square, so if you tighen one side up with the opposite bolt spun way out you can end up with a wonky wheel, even after you set it up straight with cams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) Does your wheel move ? Haven't tried it yet. I just thought that there was a "right" and a "wrong" way to mount the snails and I didn't know which was which. That's why I asked. I have to mount the snails ouside because my Because Simple has 135mm dropouts. I have a Hope Trials hub with the strong bolts. Thant should work.... have to build up the bike still. Edited January 16, 2014 by niconj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gentlydoesit Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Behold... http://youtu.be/gMu1IhTzppI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 And what do you do once the chain lengthens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gentlydoesit Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) Make it to size after the chain stretch I'd also do 1mm incrament versions *that one was just a demo, I was exchanging ideas with ogre earlier about various solutions, said I'd do a vid Edited January 16, 2014 by *gentlydoesit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 now i see, that would solve my problems.may need to measure my dropouts and get an order in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gentlydoesit Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) it should work, you can be my guinea pig . if anyone having the same problem wants a try out, measure the centers of the allen bolt and axle when your wheel is in its normal riding position and pm me I do have a better adjustable design, but I don't have the equiptment to make them... need a machinists help Edited January 16, 2014 by *gentlydoesit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) yes that would work, but it reallt cant beat the snail cam with an added grove done by yourself, it only takes a round file and a vice, so easy to do. you can also turn it over and make a new slot if you chain stretches. but just by a kmc zx 610 chain which doesn't really stretch at all. also why to people insist on running the chain so f**king tight that you can hear the freewheel crying out in pain?? also that method hes using relies on the skills of the person making it to get it accurate Edited January 18, 2014 by dave33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gentlydoesit Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 I do have a better adjustable design, but I don't have the equiptment to make them... need dave33's help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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