James281098 Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 It's finally come down to these two frames an inspired fourplay team 2013 or a marino this geo: 1000 +25 360 74 I'm 70% sure on the inspired but having seen peoples marinos I like them too? Opinions and reasons wanted Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Marino cheaper but long wait, Inspired you can have Tuesday. Although with that geo in mind I'd just get an Arcade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James281098 Posted January 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 It's kinda based around the arcade but can not afford one, do you know by any chance what the Mario 'archive' is made of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
err Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 I'd say they'd be 4130, at least I'd hope so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James281098 Posted January 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 There's two options on the marino website carbon steel and chromoly 4130 can someone tell me what the difference is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Nichols Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 do you know by any chance what the Mario 'archive' is made of? Hopes and dreams.And false promises. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James281098 Posted January 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James281098 Posted January 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Okay guys I'm going to get a marino I've decided on this now!!! I would like a seat tube length exactly like an inspired arcade or fourplay or just abit long than that the archive so my seat can sit 'properly', any idea of what length seat tube length I'm looking for? Thanks James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 How do you mean sit properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
err Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 My archive is 260mm from the centre of the bb to the top of the seat tube or 235 to the top of the top tube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James281098 Posted January 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 How do you mean sit properly? I saw a archive that's seat tube was low and it had to be pivoted forward so that it could go all the way down !My archive is 260mm from the centre of the bb to the top of the seat tube or 235 to the top of the top tube Ok thanks I will probably have mine the same length Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 If you're asking these questions when you want a custom frame you shouldn't be getting a custom frame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James281098 Posted January 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Theres one more thing in need to know before I order one and I've asked Ross mcarther but I will ask on here aswell, with a 24" wheel and a gear ratio of 22:18 what length chainstay would I need, mark said something about a chart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Theres one more thing in need to know before I order one and I've asked Ross mcarther but I will ask on here aswell, with a 24" wheel and a gear ratio of 22:18 what length chainstay would I need, mark said something about a chart? Adam from tarty made a chart that shows what CS lengths you need to run a tensionerless system with each ratio. Isitafox might have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 22/18 is going to be very light. The Arcade is 22/15 but I understand that might be too hard for some people. 22/16 is what Inspireds usually come with and that seems like a good compromise between static and speed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James281098 Posted January 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) I didn't really like 22:16 , I prefer 22:18 Edited January 9, 2014 by James281098 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 What bike have you tried them on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James281098 Posted January 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Inspired fourplay mk1, does it feel different on different bikes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I think because the mk1 has longer chain stays 22/18 would be ok for that but if your going for shorter chain stays like the Arcade then maybe go for 22/17? It's because it's more responsive on the rear with shorter chain stays so you can get away with a harder gear ratio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Found it Also agree with the 22/18 thing, that would feel awful and mean you'd struggle to get any speed/momentum up. I run 22/15 with 175 cranks and would highly recommend it if not 22/16. If you find the gearing too hard try it on 175 cranks as the extra leverage make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James281098 Posted January 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I think because the mk1 has longer chain stays 22/18 would be ok for that but if your going for shorter chain stays like the Arcade then maybe go for 22/17? It's because it's more responsive on the rear with shorter chain stays so you can get away with a harder gear ratio. I think I have a 16t lying around somewhere, but not a 17, this is making me debate now 16 or 17 because I will try and get a really short chainstay so could go with a 16t if having a shorter chain stay will be a lot more responsive ? You guys are the experts ... Haha Found it Gear ratio chart.JPG Also agree with the 22/18 thing, that would feel awful and mean you'd struggle to get any speed/momentum up. I run 22/15 with 175 cranks and would highly recommend it if not 22/16. If you find the gearing too hard try it on 175 cranks as the extra leverage make a difference. Thanks I've been looking for that chart , do you think I 22:16 would be ok with 'standard cranks length and just a shorter chain stay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Whats standard length cranks? What have you got? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James281098 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 I don't know the length I thought there was a 'standard' length? But I use shimano if that helps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 It should have the length written on the back of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James281098 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 I'm going for a ride soon so I will let you know the lengthy later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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