Mark W Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 So you see the point in the final product but not the means of creating the final product? In related news, Fiat's current head designer is a graduate. Audi's recently-replaced head designer is also a graduate (couldn't find out much about their new guy). Ford's head designer is a graduate. Those were the first three companies I looked at - I doubt it's just a coincidence they're all graduates. The physicists, chemists, geologists and all the other associated people who help make oil in the ground into petrol in your car are probably going to be graduates in their fields too. The list goes on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 What you're saying in a very roundabout Jardo kinda way is correct. There are (possibly 'were' now after recent changes) a lot of people who go to uni for the sake of it, do a pointless degree that there's very little chance of them ever needing/using in the future and spend 3 or 4 years having a laugh at the taxpayers expense. If you go to Uni with the right idea and a plan of what you want to do at the end then it's very powerful but if you go and do a sociology/history of art/other random degree then yes chances are you'll end up jobless or at best working at the checkouts at Asda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 I do. I don't see the point in a lot of other shite Universities seem to subsidise. What courses would you sling to the side as 'shite'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 Another stat for you: Around 50% of jobs advertised in the UK demand a graduate. Does that mean those jobs specifically require a degree? Not at all. The stats are black and white, national FACTS. The fact that they don't support your view on the matter is wholly irrelevant. I don't think everyone should go to uni at all, far from it, and as someone who's job for the past 5 years has been to go and give this sort of information out to kids making these decisions I'd hazard a guess and say I probably knowa little more about the details (plus I seem to be able to understand average percentages alittle better than you too; must be my maths degree...) As I made fairly clear in my previous post, these are averages and far from the case for everyone. Take out the doctors, engineers, statisticians etc and the playing field becomes much more level again. This alone shows how only certain degrees will actual be of any financial benefit, but then again is that the only way to measure the bigger concept of "success"? Probably not. Making a sweeping statement implying there's no point on anyone going to uni is as ridiculous as making one saying everyone should, however there are clearly SOME benefits to SOME people otherwise there wouldn't currently be 300+ universities in the UK offering 39,000+ courses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 What you're saying in a very roundabout Jardo kinda way is correct. There are (possibly 'were' now after recent changes) a lot of people who go to uni for the sake of it, do a pointless degree that there's very little chance of them ever needing/using in the future and spend 3 or 4 years having a laugh at the taxpayers expense. If you go to Uni with the right idea and a plan of what you want to do at the end then it's very powerful but if you go and do a sociology/history of art/other random degree then yes chances are you'll end up jobless or at best working at the checkouts at Asda. This. My problem is that the generation which may or may not have existed has watered down and dulled the power that going to University and graduating with a degree once held. It isn't a sign of a fine education necessarily anymore, it appears to me to be a title awarded to people to bolster their CV's and grant them access to the elite tier of non existent jobs reserved for post graduates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 Luke, out of interest, were you in long enough to see the effects of the £9k fees? Has it put people off doing certain degrees/going to uni at all? I think there's been a bit of a hit to certain faculty's at Soton but not a huge problem so far. It certainly wouldn't surprise me though if there was a sudden increase in the number of people going straight from school (or 'college' as you weirdo Sassenachs call they're final year) into companies on specialist training/apprenticeships rather than go to uni. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 I missed out on the £1k-ish a year tuition fees because I took a gap year, so ended up paying £3k a year for mine (not incl. the maintenance loan, obviously). Sucks to be me... It isn't a sign of a fine education necessarily anymore, it appears to me to be a title awarded to people to bolster their CV's and grant them access to the elite tier of non existent jobs reserved for post graduates. Those non-existent jobs like the ones I listed before? There are plenty of highly skilled jobs out there which require people to have a related degree to be able to do them. Not every degree is going to be the same, but that's why it doesn't make sense to say "I don't see the point in university" when what you mean is "I don't see the point in shit degree courses". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 Talking of jobs, someone rang me up yesterday asking about my position ( recently put my CV up on job boards, graduating in may) but this guy thought I was an excellent candidate for their job - doing rapid prototyping! Sounded so f**king cool saying how they work on Jaguar concept cars etc and literally right up my interest street however they wanted someone this January time not in May Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 the elite tier of non existent jobs reserved for post graduates. That'll be that 50% I mentioned. Hardly non-existent Dave: The increased fees didn't really have as much of an impact as originally thought in all honesty. There was a slight shift in some people applying a year earlier rather than taking a year out etc, but the year-on-year figures remained fairly constant. From being in schools giving talks and meeting these students, teachers and parents though it has had a minor effect on people wanting to make sure they're getting more for their money, with some people reconsidering courses, others wanting to move further away etc whilst some stay at home to save costs elsewhere. To be perfectly honest though, because of the system of student finance available you're arguably better off now than in previous years (you now pay back 9% of your earnings over £21,000 rather than 9% over £15,000 and since you pay dependent on what you EARN rather than what you OWE this means you'll be paying back less than someone doing the same job, for the same wage but that went to uni 3 years before you. This also brings us around to Jardo's point about owing £30000 etc. Yep, I'm the last person to tell anyone to borrow money, but given the way it's repaid, the fact most people will never pay it all off, and the fact that it doesn't affect a credit rating/mortgages etc it's actually not quite so black and white as that at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) Morally though, not a great idea. How much debt are we in as a country? Wrap up all the student loans and make people pay or work for their educations. Job done. Offering tens of thousands of pounds worth of debt with no obligation to pay and an incentive to not earn above the threshold. Sounds like a pretty stupid idea to me. A restricture is certainly required, because it isn't sustainable. Edited January 4, 2014 by Pashley26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 Apple don't pay a single penny of tax on the money they take in the UK. Many massive companies exploit tax loopholes to avoid paying tax in a similar way. If they did pay their fair share of tax, our national economy would be vastly different. I think making companies with multi-million pound profits pay their fair share would probably be more 'morally' right than denying people the opportunity to develop themselves which would in turn help benefit others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 It isn't encouraging though is it, if we have to work as a public that will filter through and inspire a lost responsibility in our companies and employees. I assume not many people are employers on here, but as ssomebody in charge of my own sales team...Do you know how hard it is to find GOOD employees? The reason unemployment is so high is probably to do with the number of idiots in society. Business are in decline, profits are at a low and unemployment is high. Personally I think it's because the quality of employee is diminishing. Elitest I know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 You're falling back into your "my friends..." schtick again, which as we've established doesn't really mean too much to anyone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 Haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Perkins Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 I build jet engines. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gentlydoesit Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 I was wondering how long it would take for this topic to go tits up and end in an argument.. a lot longer than I expected .I know only two people who I'd considder wealthy, tony copland and.. shit I forgot his name any way one is a graduate merchant banker, the other is self made. I think someone said its about who you are not what bits of paper you have, that IS the case, academia and intelect don't always make money, charm, charisma and intent can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HippY Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 I'd assume that the people buying the top end 'Alienware' stuff know enough about computers to build them themselves. Have you looked into network engineering? yes I did, it is rather interesting Actually no. For example a friend of mine has several alienware computer. He has an idea that it might be intel, and it has bubbles... I am thnking about hardware engineering, a job at Ocolus or Sony would be great A little story for that It might sound you as there are loads of people here who want to go to uni. No. I am from Hungary, that is nearly East europe. it is generally accepted, that if you want to do something with your life or want to be smart, you must go to uni So what happens? People with 2-3 uni degree at home doing nothing, or working as a cashier crying that they could not find a job. And for this conversation: if someone has the capability to get rich the person will. If someone does not, he wont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Nichols Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 I was wondering how long it would take for this topic to go tits up and end in an argument.. That's the problem with the internet: It gives a voice to those people who are ill informed, narrow minded, stubborn and retarded. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatJsy Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Student of Portsmouth Uni! That plus a baggage thrower (handler) when I'm at home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 And tonight whilst signalling trains I shall be removing various bike parts for anodising and re-hosing (real term?) my magura in between eating a massive plate of curry and a large amount of birthday cake I've been sent in with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials owns Posted January 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Loads of reply's, So thanks guys! It seems most of your jobs are pretty detailed within a sector, I guess you don't know where your going too end up applying for different jobs! If you do its through people you know? Im keeping a eye out on the direct gov jobsite & seeing if anything good comes up. Being in such a small town, Easier said than done when the only jobs being advertised are just plain crap no one wants too do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 To be honest I'd never even considered a job on the railway and wouldn't have known where to begin if my cousin hadn't been working for them. Not what I ever had in mind but it's given me a good look at what other jobs within the rail industry I could move onto though with any luck I'll land a drivers job in the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Loads of reply's, So thanks guys! It seems most of your jobs are pretty detailed within a sector, I guess you don't know where your going too end up applying for different jobs! If you do its through people you know? Im keeping a eye out on the direct gov jobsite & seeing if anything good comes up. Being in such a small town, Easier said than done when the only jobs being advertised are just plain crap no one wants too do! This post is meant to help you, sorry if it sounds really patronising but make sure you're not doing that on your CV and spelling it with two "o's" on the end matey! Any employee seeker will find any reason to disregard a CV and if they see errors in grammar it won't help things. Not trying to be a grammar nazi, just trying to help you get the job you want! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 This post is meant to help you, sorry if it sounds really patronising but make sure you're not doing that on your CV and spelling it with two "o's" on the end matey! Any employee seeker will find any reason to disregard a CV and if they see errors in grammar it won't help things. Not trying to be a grammar nazi, just trying to help you get the job you want! It's true, when I've been given a stack of 50 CV's the first thing you do is get them down to a 'short-list' of maybe 10 so you have to be pretty severe about getting rid of a good number and spelling/grammar is an easy option. I've had people write 'I am very hard working and pride myself in atention to detail'. Face palm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 (edited) I've had people write 'I am very hard working and pride myself in atention to detail'. Face palm. I do love those ones! I also love the 'tech and design geeks' who've written their CV in Times New Roman. Edited January 5, 2014 by isitafox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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