*gentlydoesit Posted December 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Also, "thought might be offensive to kids"? The kid took no offence, just the people it was repeated to, which made the parents look bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolfa Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 So the problem is adults who should know better not using their brains before opening their mouths? Also with regards to that f**king hell drink vs pussy comment, its still retarded, the comparison is retarded for reasons explained over, and over, AND OVER again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeperson45 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Also with regards to that f**king hell drink vs pussy comment, its still retarded, the comparison is retarded for reasons explained over, and over, AND OVER again. To me your just coming across as someone who can't debate anything and just dismisses a point by saying 'retarded', so no longer bothering with your posts til there's some point in place of an insult. Europe has different laws on the naming of products though - you wouldn't be legally allowed to register that business in the UK. Again, what I was saying about the product in a shop is that there is no duality of meaning for the name if you're unaware that there's another name for it. Some kid in a shop isn't going to know that there's another meaning for the name 'Pussy', and consequently there's nothing for them to pick up. That's why I mentioned other products - if you don't know that a word has another meaning (which young children won't), there's no reason to suddenly assume it would or to start using it in conversation with someone. I know F*cking Hell might not get sold in the UK, but it's still sold in other places and shows that offensive language as a marketing gimmick is a real thing. I could release an energy drink called Big Sweaty Dick and say 'wrong meaning, it's a drink named after my tall friend Richard who is often sweaty due to his vigorous exercise routines' and there shouldn't be a problem because I'm not referring to genitals. I do understand what you're saying about it's an ordinary word to kids who don't know the slang, but I think it still does create an avoidable exposure. Here's my view in one sentence - Using (potentially or otherwise) offensive words for branding for the sake of publicity is not a good thing, and may potentially lead to an increased exposure of bad language to unaware children and other people who may object. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolfa Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Here's my view in one sentence - Using (potentially or otherwise) offensive words for branding for the sake of publicity is not a good thing, and may potentially lead to an increased exposure of bad language to unaware children and other people who may object. Here's the rest of the forum's view as stated in repetative excrutiating detail - We are all in agreement that it is a shit name, a shit product and the only reason anybody has ever bought it is for the lolz because it is named after a vagina - shock value, successful marketing. As for exposing it to unaware children, they are just that - unaware. You should go ahead and launch a product called Big Sweaty Dick, because it wouldn't be a problem, because it does have an alternative explanation, and because you might be very successful. I wish you all the best. I hope your business sense is better than your common sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1a2bcio8 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 (edited) I've always found getting offended by swear words within themselves rather arbitrary. It's good to have words that I can use to express the pain I'm suffering after falling off my bike but, in terms of offense, ultimately it's a choice. You give swear words their offensiveness rather than the other way round despite what our common way of talking about ithem suggests (i.e. "swear words offend me"). That being said, context and intent are essential. Sometimes offense or a critical repsonse can seemingly make a bit more sense. A words meaning is always tied to the situation in which it's used. For example if somebody called a black person a "nigga", with racist/hating intent I would almost certainly get offended unless I was feeling particularly collected. If the same word was used in a satirical sense or by black people themselves it's meaning would change for me. Either way, it still remains a choice even if it seems like a difficult one. I think it's always worth thinking about whether there's much point getting offended by swear/strong words in many situations. I don't see much wrong with kiddies swearing. It's just worth emphasising their use as a strong means of expression for pain, anger, etc. so they don't get too devalued by less intense situations. When it comes to "Pussy" the context is marketing/profit and the intent is to appeal to those who like to think of themselves as rebellious (I guess?). It's the fact that people decide to get offended by the word that gives it a power in this sense. Personally, I just find it obvious, gimmicky and boring. I have to confess that I owned a Rob Warner 'Unt" t-shirt when I was a teenager so I can't be too judgmental, haha I also think energy drinks are pretty sinister. I'm amazed they aren't for over 18s only. I've used illicit drugs that amount to a similar level of energy/buzz. I'm curious what chronic drinkers of the stuff will look like in 20 years. Edited December 22, 2013 by Ben Rowlands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anzo Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 For a minute there I thought I was on MumsNet! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 They've been giving kids spotted dick for pudding in school for ages. True story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjl1984 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 They've been giving kids spotted dick for pudding in school for ages. True story. They got the recipe from the jimmy savile cookbook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gentlydoesit Posted December 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 They could live on bell end farm, eating cock a leeky followed by spotted dick, eagarly awaiting their uncle dick and aunt fanny to come. That wouldn't have anything to do with media or advertising standards though would it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolfa Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 They could live on bell end farm, eating cock a leeky followed by spotted dick, eagarly awaiting their uncle dick and aunt fanny to come. That wouldn't have anything to do with media or advertising standards though would it. And what's the difference other than intent? Kids don't know any different. I can't understand why you're not grasping this despite 1001 examples and explanations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 This is still going on? I'm starting to think bikeperson and f**kmyarsehard are just in it for the LULZ. Either that or they are really are a little slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gentlydoesit Posted December 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Odd then, how you bumped it to troll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Mike is NOT a troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 When it's in the top 5 recent posts I wouldn't call it bumping... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gentlydoesit Posted December 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Using mobile version I wasn't aware of that. I was aware however that 20 hours after my last post in this thread, you threw in some insults. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Lol, as if you're calling people out about insulting posts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Using mobile version I wasn't aware of that. I was aware however that 20 hours after my last post in this thread, you threw in some insults. Maybe sit the next one out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gentlydoesit Posted December 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Lol, as if you're calling people out about insulting posts?I don't recall making any insulting posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I don't recall making any insulting posts Please continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gentlydoesit Posted December 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Sit out, continue, make up your mind I seriously don't, if I did please elaborate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gentlydoesit Posted December 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I just remembered calling mcleef a twat when he came out I'm fair game then, carry on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I'm assuming there's several participants of this thread who are thoroughly OUTRAGED at the amount of times journalists and newscasters are saying "Pussy Riot" on the TV and radio today, right? I mean even the bloody BBC have had the outright audacity to say the word 'pussy'. I say we should ban the news, just for the safety of future generations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gentlydoesit Posted December 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 That's the spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeperson45 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Okay, most likely last post here. Was going to leave but getting continually called retarded and real slow gets on my nerves when I've expressed what I consider to be a valid opinion. And when I gave the example of another drink sold that's called 'F*cking Hell' and then for that to be dismissed as retarded for, what seems to be, the reason that it does conflict with the opposing view is annoying. Like Ben said, I don't see the word itself as being offensive. I'm not offended by vaginas or by words with that meaning but I do see it as a bad thing when potentially offensive words (I say potentially because some people do, although, as I've said before, I don't) are used as a marketing gimmick. I think it creates an unnecessary exposure to the word when it's intentionally used for the vagina meaning, which is shown through the slogan. I just think that it's a kind of slippery slope when we're allowing these things to be used for indecent reasons in such a public way. The BBC saying Pussy Riot is a different thing, it's being used within the context of the name of the band. The BBC is not simply using the word pussy to create a media buzz in an attempt to get people talking about it but using it to tell the news. So for that reason I'm not outraged by it. And if someone's going to say 'why'd you care so much' or 'don't you have better things to do than post about this', my answer is I'm home alone watching The Conjuring and it's creeping me out so this is a kind of nice focus change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Poo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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