ogre Posted October 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 26 wont dissapear. ever. its guna be useful for kids etc. 650 + niners are for big people... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmtber Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Any kid that can fit on a 26 will fit a 650b. i am only 5'6" riding a 15" 29'er it fits me fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 i think it should be the rider,not the bike. except for my dj bike,on which i had several impacts from 3+ meters to flat,where a rigid fork probably wouldve been killing me,i always rode rigid bikes.(later on i did those jumps with a rigid fork,and since i knew how to ride properly i never flat dropped again lol) just my opinion,most trails average riders go down are easily mastered on a hardtail,if one´s got the technique dialled. people carry all those kilos of travel around while not using them for purpose,which is,and again its my opinion,to soften only the impacts which could result in injury... edit:hey thats mainly the reason i got into street/street trials,exept for weird geo frames supporting the riding its all about doing it with minimal equipment Having only fairly recently switched from hardtail to full sus, the difference is huge - I can ride for longer, harder, faster with far more control. In XC a major factor is the reduction of fatigue due to being able to sit down and pedal, the function of suspension is to take out the small stuff not the big stuff, you use your legs for that For DH it's a different kettle of fish and pedalling efficiency isn't such an issue but control is which is where the suspension comes into play. I hate jumping with suspension, imho much nicer to have your tyres in contact with the ground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 i think it should be the rider,not the bike. except for my dj bike,on which i had several impacts from 3+ meters to flat,where a rigid fork probably wouldve been killing me,i always rode rigid bikes.(later on i did those jumps with a rigid fork,and since i knew how to ride properly i never flat dropped again lol) just my opinion,most trails average riders go down are easily mastered on a hardtail,if one´s got the technique dialled. people carry all those kilos of travel around while not using them for purpose,which is,and again its my opinion,to soften only the impacts which could result in injury... edit:hey thats mainly the reason i got into street/street trials,exept for weird geo frames supporting the riding its all about doing it with minimal equipment Do you ever stop to think for a single minute? The amount of shit you spout forth is incredible... you clearly know sweet f**k all about MTBing so please keep your narrow-minded inadequate opinions to yourself, they are painfully ignorant. By all means say that you prefer a hardtail over a full-sus bike but to write them off so swiftly with no justification is moronic. First up...kilos of travel? You don't measure travel in weight. Not using travel for it's intended purpose? So what is its intended purpose and how are people using it incorrectly? Soften impacts....are you stupid? That's not what full suspensions bikes are about. You mention doing something with minimal equipment like that is the enlightened path...what do you even mean by that? A fully rigid, single-speed, brakeless bike could be viewed as the most minimal approach and for a limited amount of riding it'd probably be fit for purpose. Personally for when I'm riding rocky enduro trials and downhill runs on national courses that wouldn't be my optimal choice. 26 won't disappear in trials. Too much money in it Wouldn't have thought so. Who's doing well in trials? Koxx? Rockman? Onza? 26 wont dissapear. ever. its guna be useful for kids etc. 650 + niners are for big people... I hope it doesn't but I think it could just do unfortunately. Outside of trials no one rides 24" anymore (pretty much). 650B isn't for big people in the slightest and nor does 29" have to be. It's not about making bikes bigger, it's about rolling resistance, grip and how a bike makes its way over rough terrain as has been mentioned before....not hugely important for trials riders. Tyres in 26" will begin to dry up so it'll be up to trials manufacturers to bring out suitable tyres. DH is holding on to 26" so there'll be dual ply tyres for a good while but that is also beginning to move to 27.5" so it's one to keep an eye on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Keep cool. Didnt tell anyone to adapt to my opinion. Some are seeing it that way ,some in another. Think opinion is the Definition of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted October 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 not when your just that wrong though. it isn't helpful or useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 I thought it was an interesting opinion and I agree with certain aspects on it. This is all just a big debate at the end of the day so why aren't all opinions and views excepted? Regardless of their ridiculousness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dngr2self Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 If the larger companies stop making 26 inch tyres then someone will buy the moulds and make them themselves, it's as simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Keep cool. Didnt tell anyone to adapt to my opinion. Some are seeing it that way ,some in another. Think opinion is the Definition of that You expel these ridiculous thoughts time and time again as if they're gospel when they're woefully outdated and based on your own lack of knowledge. I know full well what an opinion is and how one will differ from another but your contribution is misleading and far form accurate. I appreciate there are many riders out there who favour hard tails over full-sussers for trail riding but for reasons that are far from what you are talking about. I ride mountains bikes multiple times a week, I ride trials very regularly and I commute by bike every single day so I spend plenty of time on all sorts of bikes and ride with people from very different backgrounds and disciplines so I have a well rounded opinion of why people chose the bikes they do and for what purpose. Every trail ride I've been on in the last 2 years the people I ride with ride full suspension bikes. Some of them have hardtails also, some (like myself) are looking at adding a hardtail for riding these same trails. This is often based on conditions...when it's either covered in snow or ridiculously muddy, that is a good time for riding a hard tail. It's not a case of these people have full suspension bikes to take the impact out of drops....that's f**king stupid. Every trail I ride can (within reason) be ridden on a hardtail or full-susser but there is such a thing as the right tool for the job. Why for the sake of minimalism as you put it would you ride a bike that'll incur more abuse, have a less enjoyable ride and cause you to ride slower? I ride a 130mm travel bike which by todays standards is considered pretty small in terms of travel and for a lot of trails it feels spot on, on some of the DH tracks and bigger enduro tracks it feels ever so slightly lacking. It's nothing to do with drops and hucking off stuff, it's to do with the repeated hits and roughness of the trail when trying to fly down a steep hill thats entirely paved with big rocks. If I took a hardtail down that I'd be battered, the bike would have less traction and i'd inevitably ride slower. Good full-sus bikes are a credit to have the industry has evolved and have allowed for more advanced trials to be conquered whilst still being able to ride to the top....to write that all off based on your experience on from what I can tell is only street riding is clearly ignorant. I've only ridden a minimal amount of TGS compared to street trials so I wouldn't think of telling people that long, low bikes are stupid and uneccessery despite the fact I don't really get the enjoyment behind them? I see what's being done on them, can appreciate the mechanics behind it and have seen how riding has evolved so wouldn't spout forth about how people are carrying around kilos of wheelbase and not using them for purpose.....or however you'd put it. Edited October 29, 2013 by Matthew62 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dngr2self Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 You expel these ridiculous thoughts time and time again as if they're gospel when they're woefully outdated and based on your own lack of knowledge. I know full well what an opinion is and how one will differ from another but your contribution is misleading and far form accurate. I appreciate there are many riders out there who favour hard tails over full-sussers for trail riding but for reasons that are far from what you are talking about. I ride mountains bikes multiple times a week, I ride trials very regularly and I commute by bike every single day so I spend plenty of time on all sorts of bikes and ride with people from very different backgrounds and disciplines so I have a well rounded opinion of why people chose the bikes they do and for what purpose. Every trail ride I've been on in the last 2 years the people I ride with ride full suspension bikes. Some of them have hardtails also, some (like myself) are looking at adding a hardtail for riding these same trails. This is often based on conditions...when it's either covered in snow or ridiculously muddy, that is a good time for riding a hard tail. It's not a case of these people have full suspension bikes to take the impact out of drops....that's f**king stupid. Every trail I ride can (within reason) be ridden on a hardtail or full-susser but there is such a thing as the right tool for the job. Why for the sake of minimalism as you put it would you ride a bike that'll incur more abuse, have a less enjoyable ride and cause you to ride slower? I ride a 130mm travel bike which by todays standards is considered pretty small in terms of travel and for a lot of trails it feels spot on, on some of the DH tracks and bigger enduro tracks it feels ever so slightly lacking. It's nothing to do with drops and hucking off stuff, it's to do with the repeated hits and roughness of the trail when trying to fly down a steep hill thats entirely paved with big rocks. If I took a hardtail down that I'd be battered, the bike would have less traction and i'd inevitably ride slower. Good full-sus bikes are a credit to have the industry has evolved and have allowed for more advanced trials to be conquered whilst still being able to ride to the top....to write that all off based on your experience on from what I can tell is only street riding is clearly ignorant. I've only ridden a minimal amount of TGS compared to street trials so I wouldn't think of telling people that long, low bikes are stupid and uneccessery despite the fact I don't really get the enjoyment behind them? I see what's being done on them, can appreciate the mechanics behind it and have seen how riding has evolved so wouldn't spout forth about how people are carrying around kilos of wheelbase and not using them for purpose.....or however you'd put it. You seem awfully worked up over this. Calm down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 blab Do you come on here purely to have a go at people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 You seem awfully worked up over this. Calm down. Not at all, just a low tolerance for BS. Do you come on here purely to have a go at people? No it's just a wonderfully happy coincidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 blabDo you come on here purely to antagonize people? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Suspension exists first and foremost to keep the tyres in contact with the ground as often as possible, just putting that out there. If, at a given speed, your tyres are in contact with the ground more often you get more grip and thus more speed through a section of trail. I prefer hardtails, but only because I'd rather have a similar level of fun at a slower speed. I wish I had the bollocks to get the most out of a decent full sus rig. EDIT: On topic, I sincerely hope that bigger wheels than 26" never find their way into trials, but someone will try it at least. Edited October 29, 2013 by JD™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Should I build one for the hell of it? Haw, Marino son, get on it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmtber Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 I keep trying out the odd trials move out on my Kona unit. But other than the stupidly Low bb and mega toe overlap it doesn't feel all that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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