clerictgm Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 (edited) So, what the difference? And also what hub is better - hope 2 pro trials or chris king(and what CK hub to choose for street-trials)? Edited September 1, 2013 by clerictgm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 (edited) cant compare my hope to a king but it works pretty good. for the rim question,in my experience a wider rim reduces the risk of ripping the tyre off or pinching when landing weird,and gives the tyre a better shape to bounce good Edited September 1, 2013 by FamilyBiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Hope are more reliable for street trials especially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitbat Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Having used both hope and kings, I would say for reliability stick with a hope. Whilst kings are fantastic hubs, I have found in personal experience the king has more tendency to skip with sudden applications of pressure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 I think that it's kind of hub dependent really - my King that got the Ad Read treatment from the moment I had it was boss, and I quite liked it. However, it didn't really have the same 'solid' feel as a Hope, so I switched over. Haven't had a problem with my hub yet (Running the Pro 2 Evo Trials rear hub for reference...). If you go for a King, just make sure it's the Singlespeed one, or at least the Classic with the HD Axle and Fun Bolts. f**k QRs, all day erry day. I'm a fan of wider rims too. Tried a few different ones and none have been as good as the 40mm wide Spank Stiffee rims I've got on now. Better tyre stability, fewer pinch flats, better tyre profile with a 2.4" Holy Roller (compared to the 30mm and 35mm rims I tried before). I kinda like the way you can get away with slightly lower pressures with them without getting flats all the time, which seems to be what happens if you run lower pressures on needledick rims like the Atomlabs. I don't really like the feel of super hard tyres so being able to keep them a little softer without my tyre popping off or getting pinches is a bonus for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Hopes are more "crisp" in terms of engagements, and I would much rather have the more solid engagement of one over a king on a street bike. Sound mint as well, and you can mount a disk easy peasy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Another vote for the Hope.Had a King, and whilst it never, ever skipped on me the Hope just instilled more confidence.I think it's how "solid" if feels, as Mark said.Rims are more a circumstantial choice in my books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 the fact that hope warranty for trials and king don't should say it all really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmtber Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Even more to the hope I prefer it to a ffw setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanczik Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 let my tell you a story Son.. when i was just a little boy doing trials on my planet x.i dream of that famous Chris king hub all the pros had. i saved money for months for it was so expensive.it was great for a while. but one day it skipped... and never stopped skipping since. i was so afraid to gap thing.. i thought ill never do trials again. and then i got the hope pro 2. and i ride it ever since 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Even more to the hope I prefer it to a ffw setup. Really? the only benefit I can see to a FFW setup is weight, and it ain't enough to warrant it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Really? the only benefit I can see to a FFW setup is weight, and it ain't enough to warrant it.There's a few.Weight, weight distribution (weight in the middle of the bike rather than at the back makes a MASSIVE difference), number of engagements and cost of replacing freewheel versus hub should the worst come to pass are those that come immediately to mind.They're not without their downsides - quite often reliability, more rolling resistance and habitually eating your trousers - but the pros outweigh the cons for me, personally.Choice is also an issue with mod frames. If you don't know someone to machine a hope down for you you're stuck with a Profile, and no-one wants that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 There's a few. Weight, weight distribution (weight in the middle of the bike rather than at the back makes a MASSIVE difference), number of engagements and cost of replacing freewheel versus hub should the worst come to pass are those that come immediately to mind. They're not without their downsides - quite often reliability, more rolling resistance and habitually eating your trousers - but the pros outweigh the cons for me, personally. Choice is also an issue with mod frames. If you don't know someone to machine a hope down for you you're stuck with a Profile, and no-one wants that Yeah fair points. Do you not like me or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 I was trying to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Oh okay. Everyone seems to rate profiles differently :l some people say that they love them and some say they completely blow, it's also not related to their ability at all. 48 engagements on the back is supposed to be equivalent to 72 mounted on the cranks (on a mod) Also I've never found the extra weight on the back to bother my riding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Have you tried a FFW setup on the same/similar bike? We did the transition process on a friend's Echo 24" - from ProII to FFW SL - and the improvement was even more pronounced than when I did it to mine. The back end scooped up SO much easier, most notably on front wheel moves but the difference was there for everything. Those extra 36 engagements are a nice bonus too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Just totally wasted my time finding a picture I was looking for for this thread. Even had the link copied and everything. Thanks for nothing you friendly bastards. Profiles suck 'cos their spares are prohibitively expensive and they're comparatively fragile (in terms of the end caps, pawls, springs, etc.). They were 'good' because there was little other option for people to use, but with how much freewheels have improved they're a more legitimate alternative now. On a trialsy 24 like an Echo, it'd usually be an 18:14 ratio so equivalent of just shy of 62 clicks, so a pretty big step to a FFW setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Okay cheers for that one mark. Those are fair points again flipp, however i'm pretty happy with my current hub purely because of reliability, I don't have a steady income so can only buy parts now and then, so have to try and get as strong as possible parts when I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmtber Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Sorry lads I forget to mention my ffw was a tensile 60 click. So the hope feels awsome to me. The engagement of better ffw setups would deffinatly have its advantages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.KYDD Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 I loved my King. Got it 2nd hand on an Echo I bought and ran it for around 18months without fault. Still regret selling it a little :'( Considering getting a set for a road bike project I've started - need the buzz back in my life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 I've had two kings now that were both a good few years old before I got them, kept them both maintained well and I've never had a king skip in my 4 years of riding (about 8months of that was Ffw which I hated) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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