clerictgm Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) 100%, absolutely? This FW will die in agony if I do not degrease it? Srsly asking. Have some expirience with one-month-lasted tensile 96 and afraid of the same fate for this brand new FW. Edited August 27, 2013 by clerictgm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsiain Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 "This freewheel must be bedded in before trials use, to ensure any grease used when assembling the freewheel works away from the mechanism. If the freewheel is subjected to trials use without having been bedded in, the pawls will not engage correctly and this causes the freewheel to skip, damaging the pawls and ratchet. If you wish to speed up this process, you can thin the grease down with light oil like GT85 or WD40. Failure to bed the freewheel in correctly will void the warranty." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clerictgm Posted August 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 So I just open the cap and spray some WD40 in to wash away the grease and that's all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 If the bearings are in a race I'd strip it down entirely and rebuild it with no grease. However if the bearings are loose, I'd just soak it in a degreaser x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stirlingpowers Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 "This freewheel must be bedded in before trials use Tarty should really make a video or a short text about how to bed in these greased freewheels. Must + no instructions is a combination that has kept me off buying one. I won't rely on any information on the forum here, only on instructions given by those who will decide on my warranty claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) funny,hope has oiled ratchets for trials use but the dedicated trials companies grease their ones. on my hub bedding in was to tighten up the ratchet ring,simples but to answer your question,flush it through with a silicon based oil,then ride it for a few hours without doing trials use,thats hardening up the pawls surfaces and pushes away excess grease from the ratchet ring Edited August 28, 2013 by FamilyBiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clerictgm Posted August 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) So, I opened the cap and washed away all the grease with WD40. Then I screwed the cap back. 1) FW sound became sharper. 2) If I shake FW it sounds like rattle - Is it BAD or OK? (it's bearings). Edited August 28, 2013 by clerictgm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooo Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 So, I opened the cap and washed away all the grease with WD40. Then I screwed the cap back. 1) FW sound became sharper. 2) If I shake FW it sounds like rattle - Is it BAD or OK? (it's bearings). Yeah bearings will rattle because there is a small gap in them to allow them to move freely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Now you've thinned out the grease take the bike for a ride around for a few hours before you use it for trials. Tarty should really make a video or a short text about how to bed in these greased freewheels. Must + no instructions is a combination that has kept me off buying one. I won't rely on any information on the forum here, only on instructions given by those who will decide on my warranty claim. Got to agree really, seems a littel off demanding that a product has to go through a certain process before it is to be used for it's intended purpose and then not explaining how you should do this. I appreciate to some that bedding in a freewheel might be an obvious thing to do and they will know how to do it, but i'm sure that to a lot people, it's not obvious and they aren't sure what it entails. Can't do any harm to Tarty really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 I hoped it was obvious - it's like getting in a brand new car and red-lining it - our site is already too bloated, but it's being added in now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 it's like getting in a brand new car and red-lining it There is a school of thought that thinks that's an alternative way to run an engine in... When I got my Kwak I did a partial 'hard run in' just for shits and giggles. Doubt it made any difference but there you go! Edit: But that doesn't go for trials hubs/freewheels. Soft break in is a must. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 funny,hope has oiled ratchets for trials use but the dedicated trials companies grease their ones. The grease is generally put in to make assembly easier as it holds the open bearings in place better so it's not too comparable to a Hope in that sense. That said, Echo are doing it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsiain Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 So, I opened the cap and washed away all the grease with WD40. Then I screwed the cap back. 1) FW sound became sharper. 2) If I shake FW it sounds like rattle - Is it BAD or OK? (it's bearings). Thats ok all my freewheels do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Reynolds Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 I hoped it was obvious - it's like getting in a brand new car and red-lining it - our site is already too bloated, but it's being added in now Thought manafacturers bench bed-ed in new engines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clerictgm Posted August 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) Soooooo. After dergreasing and stuff, I rode for 2 hours. Street without trials. But when I tryed once to get on back wheel and do few little pedal kicks FW SKIPPED! WTF? It was only once bud I don't think it's a good sight. So what do you think? FW is SHIT and must be replaced or what? My ECHO FW lasts 1 year without any bedding in at the start of using and no problem untill now. WTFTFTF. I buyed new one and want i to work at least 1 year without problems. Edited August 28, 2013 by clerictgm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 i think 2 hours arent enough and what do you mean by saying"street"? riding 180s to fakies n stuff does stress the ffw,makes sense,huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clerictgm Posted August 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 I rode only "gentle for FW" street for this 2 hours. Lol I know what puts stress on FW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 But the point of bedding a freewheel in is to knock and burrs off the pawls and get the pawls to seat correctly in the drive ring. To do this you need to actually free-wheel around, that is roll at speed without pedalling. Pedalling continuously for 2 hours will do nothing to bed a freewheel in but coasting down a huuuuuge hill for 2 hours would, especially if you pedal at random intervals to ensure the pawls get a chance to fully engage properly and get themselves seated. Hope that makes sense. In other news, change to rear freewheel and buy a Hope Pro2 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clerictgm Posted August 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) Alright I'll try it. This is my last deal with FWs if this not gonna work. What about hope hubs? They are really so good? Edited August 28, 2013 by clerictgm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 It was a long, long time before I finally got a Hope hub on a trials bike but it's so solid and reliable I can't see me ever bothering with a FFW again (unless I ever got a mod again of course). They are good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 How to bed in a freewheel. You will need: 1 bike, with new freewheel attached (FFW or freehub, this how-to is all inclusive) 1 treadmill Step 1: Place bike on treadmill Step 2: Sit/stand on bike (or you could just secure it upright for extra man points) Step 3: Turn on treadmill. Don't be shy. Step 4: ??? Step 5: Profit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) 6.keep hammers and screwdrivers away from rotating bike parts while processing steps 1-5. lol joking aside,if youll ever gonna get a hope pro2 hub youll be knowing what its known for... Edited August 28, 2013 by FamilyBiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clerictgm Posted August 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) It's a good idea, bud treadmill is for pathetic stupid idiots so I don't have one. It's like rubber woman or near beer you know. Edited August 28, 2013 by clerictgm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Not if you own it merely for bedding in freewheels. Because not being able to bed in your freewheels is a sure fire sign of enjoying the cock 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dk2 Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 +1 for Hope pro 2 hub(going on 6th year now, no problem (just a little dig in in the cassettebody from sprockets..))....To me all this bedding in, just indicates that Freewheels are crap out of the box, (and stay that way )....)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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