LEON Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 (edited) It is a shame, Damon etc have always pushed what's possible & some of the stuff he does could cripple or kill him if bars/forks/cranks were to snap so I don't blame him. It'll be a while before anyone has balls as big as his, so if he's not riding then the boundaries will stop getting pushed until someone in the future catches up. I've always chosen mtb parts where possible over any trials parts, the heavy duty stuff is generally up to more abuse than any weightwatcher type trials parts, but for tgs riders it's not really an option, so someone sort it out! Edited July 18, 2013 by LEON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Where/who/how have you head tunnis quit? I've seen/heard nothing from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 (edited) I think a few people are forgetting that this is TRIALS. Parts break and that's normal. How many people ride like Damon or Neil? Not that many. Secondly, the problem is in the riders themselves. I know for a fact that most people are looking for the lightest parts possible yet they don't want to see the correlation between weight and strength when choosing parts. This in term is causing what JD mentioned - sales of light parts being high, and heavy ones being poor. The result of that is that heavy and often strong parts are being discontinued. Obviously there should be something out there for the extreme TGS rider but I bet you that most would choose something different anyway. A strong frame would be met with "oh I don't like that colour/design" or "oh this is too heavy" comments. If you're looking for strong components, choose Trialtech. But if instead you chose a superlight Bonz or TryAll hub, SL forks, Neon rims and pedals which weigh less than a sausage - blame yourself. edit: sorry if some of this doesn't make sense. I'm drunk. Edited July 18, 2013 by Greetings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old boy chez Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 I spoke about this years ago and ended up being sent down like the titanic. Me and Leon are from a age where a lot of the new stuff was only a dream. I have found my self going back to retro parts as a lot of the new stuff I found brakes quicker then older parts .(but this is just me I think, midlife and all that lol) but as greetings has just said ,the sport with all love gents is trials ..from now and till we stop riding things will give out at some point . It's just the way it is .some will out live others but with that search to keep the weight down this will all ways be the case. Just my thoughts ,does not make me right. Sorry for any spelling errors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clerictgm Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) I think a few people are forgetting that this is TRIALS. Parts break and that's normal. How many people ride like Damon or Neil? Not that many. Secondly, the problem is in the riders themselves. I know for a fact that most people are looking for the lightest parts possible yet they don't want to see the correlation between weight and strength when choosing parts. This in term is causing what JD mentioned - sales of light parts being high, and heavy ones being poor. The result of that is that heavy and often strong parts are being discontinued. Obviously there should be something out there for the extreme TGS rider but I bet you that most would choose something different anyway. A strong frame would be met with "oh I don't like that colour/design" or "oh this is too heavy" comments. If you're looking for strong components, choose Trialtech. But if instead you chose a superlight Bonz or TryAll hub, SL forks, Neon rims and pedals which weigh less than a sausage - blame yourself. edit: sorry if some of this doesn't make sense. I'm drunk. >this is TRIALS Bad argument. My cheap chineeseshit XC is stronger than some echo parts. You can't say THIS IS TRIALS LOADS OF STRESS BLAHBLAHBLHA because different riders rides differently. And when you don't do 5m drops (68cm is highest drop I done with that echo urban fork) and your brand new fork dies in 1 month this is UNACCEPTABLE. The problem exists and this is confirmed by many Russian riders too. (also how ironic - echo urban fork can not stand urban riding) Edited July 19, 2013 by clerictgm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 >this is TRIALS Bad argument. My cheap chineeseshit XC is stronger than some echo parts. Presumably you know this because you ride trials on that bike? Urban forks had a single steerer tube and those were weak, now there's a double one in the crown area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Nichols Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 A lot of people thought Skye's were ridiculously overpriced when they were released, but it's getting close to two years since I bought one and I'm still using the majority of the original parts. I swapped out a couple of items as personal preference (pedals and stem) but I'm still on the original frame, fork, wheels & axles, bars, cranks, BB, brakes etc I think two years is bloody good for the amount of shit I put the bike through. I wouldn't be shocked and bitter if things started breaking at the two year mark, I'm actually shocked and elated that it's all made it this far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_SPAWN Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 I agree I don't have any problems with parts atall and havnt had many problems in the past with parts. I think all stuff brakes after time, if you keep braking things instantly then try to be smoother or loose some weight. I rode with neil many times and he didnt brake anything either. Iv seen him brake stuff, I blame him not the parts. If u want to do stuff that will potentially brake stuff. Thats your choice. Dont do it then moan becuse a slim piece of metal cant cope with the massive force of a 14stone person pulling on it from a 10ft drop... how much force is that? Lots! If you want stuff too last despite being a big or unsmooth rider then the only way to go is.more material/heavier thicker bigger welds etc etc. Dont use aluminum, use steel. Iv never broke anything unless it was my fault anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 A lot of people thought Skye's were ridiculously overpriced when they were released, but it's getting close to two years since I bought one and I'm still using the majority of the original parts. I swapped out a couple of items as personal preference (pedals and stem) but I'm still on the original frame, fork, wheels & axles, bars, cranks, BB, brakes etc I think two years is bloody good for the amount of shit I put the bike through. I wouldn't be shocked and bitter if things started breaking at the two year mark, I'm actually shocked and elated that it's all made it this far. okay, well it has been established that inspireds are good bikes, but for the same kind of money, do you remember the koxx boxx? loads of frame technology, R&D, and i doubt any of them lasted over 6 months... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoze Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 They were out and out comp bikes though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 okay well what is the tgs equivalent of the skye then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dngr2self Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 I don't know why people keep bringing Damon up, how many other riders weigh as much as him, put as much torqu through the drive train, put as much stress on the front front end and do massive dropgaps? I agree though that it would be nice to see a wider selection of stronger, albeit heavier, parts available, but I'm also realistic enough to understand why there isn't. I think a lot of people forget that there are a hell of a lot of comp riders around the world and that manufacturers naturally cater to them as that's a bigger market than a handful of tgs riders with no money. I still think there are decent strong parts available though but you just need to be selective in what you buy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 i only have to say at this point that i use a custom frame and fork made from cromo since half a year now,and it held up great. forks weigh 1010g and frame 2020g,(full bike 11,56kg)i am 90 kilos heavy and do a lot of practising to-front stuff etc. cant complain about.using dh parts mostly for the cranks and steering(holzfeller,syntace,blk mrkt),so my statement doesnt fit quite 100%ish in this topic, but for marino products theres not a weight-,nor a stability problem. but to say something completely on-topic,if one doesnt buy pure comp trials components,theres alot of choice of products that are longlasting,i.e. street handlebars or syntace stems etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clerictgm Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) Presumably you know this because you ride trials on that bike? Urban forks had a single steerer tube and those were weak, now there's a double one in the crown area. >because you ride trials on that bike? I rode CRAZY SHIT(why crazy shit? because this bike is only for careful city riding it costs only 220 pounds brand new) on that bike. And only one thing snapped - rear axle. My first 1m drop was done on that bike, my first 70cm faildrop (I fell on fork with all my weight and under really bad angle). Also some miniDH and trials stuff of course! Alot of BHs, zap-taps, little drops (70cm and lower). And all that when I was n00b and till now, 2+ years with alot of falls and ONLY REAR AXLE SNAPPED! Here it is: Edited July 19, 2013 by clerictgm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 How much does that bike weigh?Cheap, light, strong - pick two. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clerictgm Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 15kg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 I spoke about this years ago and ended up being sent down like the titanic. Me and Leon are from a age where a lot of the new stuff was only a dream. I have found my self going back to retro parts as a lot of the new stuff I found brakes quicker then older parts .(but this is just me I think, midlife and all that lol) but as greetings has just said ,the sport with all love gents is trials ..from now and till we stop riding things will give out at some point . It's just the way it is .some will out live others but with that search to keep the weight down this will all ways be the case. Just my thoughts ,does not make me right. Sorry for any spelling errors ^^^^^this^^^^^ I'm from an era where all the super light parts didnt exist, when the stuff you could buy was solid and built to last. Me, pugson and Dave from scunny the other night were reminiscing about stuff, such as x-lite, wooly hat shop, merlin, Planet X and so on. It just shows how much the sport has moved on, the advancement in materials, and the drive to keep costs down. I buy durable parts, not stuff that's gonna break near enough straight away. Ill take the weight penalty for the durability any day of the week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 ^^^^^this^^^^^ I'm from an era where all the super light parts didnt exist, when the stuff you could buy was solid and built to last. Me, pugson and Dave from scunny the other night were reminiscing about stuff, such as x-lite, wooly hat shop, merlin, Planet X and so on. Didn't Planet-X pretty much have to GTFO of trials because of the warranty they offered on Zebdis, and loads of Zebdis breaking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Probably, I can't remember as I wasn't in the trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 I wasn't either back then, that was mainly from being on here and also seeing Brant's posts on Section7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Or perhaps its because there is no money in selling parts that don't break! Everybody loves repeat orders don't they? This actually annoyed me to so much I started flawless bikes, with the plan to sell decent components and a reasonable price! Don't worry guys the company is growing and we will be bring out parts that stand the test of time! This totally, when I was sorting out some rims for my Inspired direct from Spank the guy I spoke to said they stopped making Stiffy 24" rims as they made a load, sold some but then had to sit on a s**tload of stock as they were so good people just couldn't destroy them and didn't need replacements. Said they just could not sell them even at obscenely discounted prices. On the topic of oldskool parts though, I remember Planet X bringing out some ultra strong 5mm thick downhill bars which were absolute wank and still are the only bike part I've ever broken! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 ...the guy I spoke to said they stopped making Stiffy 24" rims as they made a load, sold some but then had to sit on a s**tload of stock as they were so good people just couldn't destroy them and didn't need replacements. Said they just could not sell them even at obscenely discounted prices. That might kiiind of be bullshit, in fairness. They're strong, but I think the main problem was that the arse fell out of the 24" market and Spank weren't really as 'known' as companies like Atomlab. They were pretty expensive originally too, so cheaper rims seemed to be more popular (e.g. people buying the f**k out of Halo rims...). The Stiffy rims are pretty heavy too, so weight fags probably looked elsewhere. If they made 24" Stiffy Evo rims (they do a 26" version so they have the tooling to do so...) I reckon they'd have sold better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 You're just jealous of my shiny sexual Spikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Well, the fact they thought they were sending you Stiffys but sent you a pair of Spikes kinda backs my point up Although yeah, kinda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalseProphecy Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 So like what double wall rims are available then, like I've got one of the last echo 07s ATM but that wouldn't last forever what's my alternative? As I've had 3 rides out of trial tech single walled and its demolished pretty much oh be smoother you all cry, yeah fair enough but I'm getting used to the bike again, technique etc and I do drop gaps I know that's a foreign term these days, but its the buzz of landing one after shitting yourself just before it. The satisfactions unreal I don't really get that from much else and I want to be able to execute them and only have to worry about making the gap not the fact I could be a broken heap when I land from parts unable to sustain the impacts. Trial tech forks everyone says get a pair of them ..... I run a vee may be frowned upon for doing so but I haven't snapped a pair of forks since I made the transaction from a maggie so maybe a vee option? Just a suggestion as a vee on backwards mount with adapters is nowhere near as good, like a jaguar on a front mount isn't as good. Yeah lighter all this fair enough but jeez there's no need for the amount of holes there is in echo cranks for example at least give people the option of cranks without the ridiculous holes in them. Like I don't understand how you pay more for less metal that's weaker the logic just doesn't make sense really except for the lining in adam's pocket. Like I remember when I first started I used to go through so many parts and they were actually strong I feel so sorry for today's younger riders who don't have mummy and daddy to hand to replace everything after a few rides. So yeah to evaluate lets make lighter stuff and become more extortionate and basically pummel the already small sport into the ground, unless you have an unlimited source of cash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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