clerictgm Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 (edited) I can't understand this magic. Do I need some specific chain? Some specific gearing? I want my bike to look clean and also I hate if there are too much things that can be broken (hanger + tensioner). Now I have 18-14 with 3/32" KMC K-810 chain. I want to get rideable bike without tensioner or with spoke tensioner, but I broke ~20 spokes with no rideable result.. Edited May 20, 2013 by clerictgm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 Do I need some specific chain? Some specific gearing?. And frame. From what I gather, it depends on finding a nice horizontal dropout frame that's been made with ratio X in mind and using that with a new chain. Or you can play with weird ratios like 17-14 if you can find it, or you can add a half-link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 Just use a tensioner. If you haven't got horizontal drops to keep things tight then you probably need to sacrifice gearing to get something rideable and even then chain stretch can cause you problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 as a new chain lenghtens a bit(up to a lot,depending on quality),youll always have to tension the chain or get a frame with horizontal dropouts. its unfair,but it is like that... :wink2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clerictgm Posted May 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 (edited) Half-link is deadly dangerous and stupid. I strongly recommend not to use this shit in any style of riding. But how about hundreds of riders (with vertical dropouts) with spoke tensioners? I don't get if I'm too stupid or spoke tensioner has very low power and rideable only in case when chain is sags slightly? Edited May 20, 2013 by clerictgm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 You won't manage no tensioner on that frame as the chainstay length is way out for any decent gear ratios. You want a fourplay like mine that'll run no tensioner with a tiny bit of filing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 Half-link is deadly dangerous and stupid. I strongly recommend not to use this shit in any style of riding. But how about hundreds of riders (with vertical dropouts) with spoke tensioners? I don't get if I'm too stupid or spoke tensioner has very low power and rideable only in case when chain is sags slightly? There obviously isn't going to be loads of tension with a spoke tensioner, just enough to keep your chain coming off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmtber Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 Zoot pro frame, kod frame ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 You need a ratio that makes the chain just a tad loose. And a spoke tensioner can pick up that little bit of extra sag. It won't do a half links worth of tension though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 Heatsink tensioner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunt man t Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 get a mod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 If you are very careful you can do what i did, which was gently tap the gear hanger around with a hammer so it wraps around the bolt, that way the tensioner sits right up near the frame, then you may be able to remove a pair of links. also, less likely to hit it. mines been like this since about 06/07 and havent had to replace the hanger yet. one annoying things is that you will have to completely remove the bolt to remove the rear wheel. like this: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 or you ziptie a spring sheet with a teflon glider to your chainstay(ignore the dedicated mount on my pic) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 Why do you even need to do that with horizontal dropouts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 Why do you even need to do that with horizontal dropouts? Because its a Marino and the mounts probably don't line up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) har har! as i mentioned before,to cover different gear ratios at different cs lenghts. jokers btw my marino isnt even a mm off the geo i designed,and my old one wasnt,too. just saying Edited May 22, 2013 by FamilyBiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich J Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 Half-link is deadly dangerous and stupid. I strongly recommend not to use this shit in any style of riding. This argument always confuses me. I'd love to know how many people have snapped halflinks, the plates that is, vs how many people just jump on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clerictgm Posted May 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 (edited) This argument always confuses me. I'd love to know how many people have snapped halflinks, the plates that is, vs how many people just jump on. I don't see any reason to confuse. Half link is 100% shit. 3 of my mates snapped it in period from 1 day to 2 weeks. They are fail by design for trials. And for example on my KMC 810 only chainlock snapped after 3 years of riding. And my mate rides some KMC (710 I guess) that 7 years old! It's stupid. but.. Edited May 23, 2013 by clerictgm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich J Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Where abouts did they snap them though cause they do need more attention when rejoining. So let me guess youve not snapped one? And the 100% shit part, you be talking 100% shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazykid009 Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Where abouts did they snap them though cause they do need more attention when rejoining. So let me guess youve not snapped one? And the 100% shit part, you be talking 100% shit. This argument always confuses me. I'd love to know how many people have snapped halflinks, the plates that is, vs how many people just jump on. I've snapped them on a few mountain bikes and street bikes. Wouldn't ever dare pop on on a trials bike because of this. Because of the bends in the plate, these try to flatten out under load, creating not only a silly amount of stretch but also a perfect place at which to snap. All of the links that I have snapped have been in the middle of the plate on a bend. Normally the outer bend at that. If you rivet a chain properly, and then peen it over, it's very unlikely it will ever go on the rivet. The only exception being the SRAM 1091r that I had, in which I cracked a plate from the rivet hole through to the little cutout in the side of the plate! To this day i don't know how, but I will not run one again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 I often use a single halflink on a chain with no dire consequences. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 I often use a single halflink on a chain with no dire consequences. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Reynolds Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Where abouts did they snap them though cause they do need more attention when rejoining. So let me guess youve not snapped one? And the 100% shit part, you be talking 100% shit. Ive snapped one down the middle of the plate..... absolutly nothing to do with joining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 A chain is only as strong as its weakest link Apparently that's none of the links on my chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich J Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Nor mine. I've snapped normal chains but I'm guessing they don't count... (never snapped a half link, be it a whole chain or single link) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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