Neon single-wall rims any good?

[Scoox]

Hi everyone, I am curious if anyone here uses Neon single-wall rims, I am debating getting these or the Because ones. I haven't found much info about these and as usual the manufacturer provides hardly any info, so your opinions will be very helpful.

I am somewhat worried about the shape of the cut-outs especially the insanely stupid notches between the spoke holes, because I read this thread a while ago. The aluminium in that Try-All rim got stretched at the narrowest point, and in the case of the Neon rims... well, anybody with a basic understanding of mechanics of materials knows that notches are stress raisers. Had these Neon rims NOT had the notches I would have bought them in a heartbeat...

And here is the sort of thing I would have liked:

As you can see I am very familiar with Microsoft Paint.

Edited May 20, 2013 by Scoox

[craigjames]

I've had a front one for the last 5 months and it's been aboslutely fine. Nice light and seemibly strong rim. The coating they use on the sidewalls is pretty tough and the alu fairly hard, so if you're grinding it the first grind will take a bit of effort and aggression to remove the coating and get a decent grind. But then the grind seems to last a long time. Not sure what the rear is like, but if it's anything like the front rim I don't think you'd have a problem

[BradJohnson]

Dented and flat spotted mine the first ride.

[Scoox]

Brad, that's on a stock though, isn't it? However I am easily biased and your comment is tipping the scales the double-wall way. What rim do you use now? How noticable are the weight savings associated with a single-wall rear rim?

I know there are many nice single-wall rim options but I want red rims and here in China I tend to just buy locally produced stuff (imported stuff is too expensive) so my options are limited to Zhi, Because and Neon.

By the way, while researching rims I notice that single wall rims (e.g. Neon) are much more expensive than their double-wall counterparts (e.g. Because), despite having bigger holes and considerably less material even without the holes. I know for a fact that the cut-outs get sold on as scrap so here is my question: W.T.F.? Gentlemen, this is some interesting shit: the price of holes is going up!

Edited May 20, 2013 by Scoox

[dave33]

Dented and flat spotted mine the first ride.

Don't you ride with low pressure ?

[Blake]

Brad, that's on a stock though, isn't it? However I am easily biased and your comment is tipping the scales the double-wall way. What rim do you use now? How noticable are the weight savings associated with a single-wall rear rim?

I know there are many nice single-wall rim options but I want red rims and here in China I tend to just buy locally produced stuff (imported stuff is too expensive) so my options are limited to Zhi, Because and Neon.

By the way, while researching rims I notice that single wall rims (e.g. Neon) are much more expensive than their double-wall counterparts (e.g. Because), despite having bigger holes and considerably less material even without the holes. I know for a fact that the cut-outs get sold on as scrap so here is my question: W.T.F.? Gentlemen, this is some interesting shit: the price of holes is going up!

The holed ones cost more because it's more work to cut them out. raising costs.

Also in my opinion/experience it's not the weight factor that makes single walls that much better, it's how bouncy they are in comparison to double walled rims.

[dave33]

Brad, that's on a stock though, isn't it? However I am easily biased and your comment is tipping the scales the double-wall way. What rim do you use now? How noticable are the weight savings associated with a single-wall rear rim?

I know there are many nice single-wall rim options but I want red rims and here in China I tend to just buy locally produced stuff (imported stuff is too expensive) so my options are limited to Zhi, Because and Neon.

By the way, while researching rims I notice that single wall rims (e.g. Neon) are much more expensive than their double-wall counterparts (e.g. Because), despite having bigger holes and considerably less material even without the holes. I know for a fact that the cut-outs get sold on as scrap so here is my question: W.T.F.? Gentlemen, this is some interesting shit: the price of holes is going up!

Holes = more processes, which require more tooling and labour so more cost

[Scoox]

The holed ones cost more because it's more work to cut them out. raising costs.

Also in my opinion/experience it's not the weight factor that makes single walls that much better, it's how bouncy they are in comparison to double walled rims.

I am not sure how much extra manufacturing cost is added by drilling a little more, certainly not enough to warrant the huge price difference, but anyway... that's the way the world.

Regarding the bounciness, how is that a good thing? Thanks

[Blake]

I am not sure how much extra manufacturing cost is added by drilling a little more, certainly not enough to warrant the huge price difference, but anyway... that's the way the world.

Regarding the bounciness, how is that a good thing? Thanks

bouncy tires are good for trials, generally.

[dave33]

I am not sure how much extra manufacturing cost is added by drilling a little more, certainly not enough to warrant the huge price difference, but anyway... that's the way the world.

Regarding the bounciness, how is that a good thing? Thanks

I think the holes are punched, tooling for that sort of thing is pretty costly

[BradJohnson]

I was running the 24" version.

I'm now on a stock running echo TR rims, best rims ive used but they are weighty.

[Scoox]

bouncy tires are good for trials, generally.

Sure, but the bounciness should come from the tire, not from the rim. The w ay you phrased that sounded to me like single-wall rims would feel bouncy because of flex, otherwise I don't see how single-wall vs double-wall would make any difference to how bouncy the wheels are.

Anyway, in the end I am just going to get the Becasue rims, I've used Echo TR rims for a year and a half without problems and I expect the Because ones to be similar. Since they are for a mod I don't think the weight penalty of a rear double-wall rim won't be too taxing.

[craigjames]

Only one wall means a bigger air volume and a bit more bounce.

[Scoox]

I also thought these holes are punched, so basically the price difference is just hype. Of course to Dremel your own rims would be way too much hassle, so they can charge whatever they want.

Thanks also for explaining why single-walls are bouncier!