UK_SPAWN Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Hay guys/gals Just got my 2012 echo lite from a guy on the forum and it has a few problems that I was hoping you could help me with. 1: the guy had fit cranks that had damaged splines and incorrect offset/spacing, this has caused the chain to rub/cut into the seatstay underneath. How bad is this? I guess its 1 - 2mm deep you can fit your fingernail in, but it dosent go all the way through and dont feel soft or like.flexy like its split. How thick is the frame in that area? Is there any way to repair this? Ill highlight the other problems after so not to ask 100 questions at once. Thanks. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradJohnson Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Chain rub is a common problem, use one of these behind the FW to space it out to bring the chain line away from the frame.http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/freewheel_spares/echo_freewheelsprocket_spacer/c65p11741.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 (edited) ^ But dont if you already have a bashring fitted. If its rubbing, try an additional spacer between the hub and the frame if you have enough axle length to safely sit in the dropout, an old snail cam works fine. If the teeth on the rear sprocket are on the outer edge, consider flipping it round and running a narrower chain, or purchasing a sprocket with central teeth, such as the Echo TR. 1-2mm deep wont cause any issues so long as you get the chain line altered fairly sharpish. Edited May 11, 2013 by Echo Lite 09 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny00135 Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 ^ But dont if you already have a bashring fitted. If its rubbing, try an additional spacer between the hub and the frame if you have enough axle length to safely sit in the dropout, an old snail cam works fine. If the teeth on the rear sprocket are on the outer edge, consider flipping it round and running a narrower chain, or purchasing a sprocket with central teeth, such as the Echo TR. 1-2mm deep wont cause any issues so long as you get the chain line altered fairly sharpish. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_SPAWN Posted May 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Well herin is the second problem. The chain is only rubbing because the cranks that were used (red) made.the spacing wrong. I also have the proper echo cranks that he gave me with it. But they have a stuck.freewheel on. That i . Nor 2 of.my friends can get off no matter what we do..vice. Lever. Spanners. Blowtorch. Hulk force. Hammer smashing.etc lol. Now.i have 2 sets of.cranks. A.working freewheel everyrhing. A bashring... I just cant get the freewheel of of either cranks. Im currently saving up for new cranks n FW. But if anyone has any ideas or can do it for me for a small.fee please.let me know I have done one before but this one seems fused together by jesus power or science.I have one of those brad on the stuck freewheel. Thanks for the replys and very prompt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 (edited) http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/media/guides/maintenance_freewheel_and_sprocket_removal/m1.html Edited May 12, 2013 by FamilyBiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradJohnson Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 If you want you can send me the crank and ill get it sorted pand post it back out to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_SPAWN Posted May 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 I can do that if its not lots of troubble for you. Dont want you getin as stressed as i did though lol yeah ill pm.you a bit later on bud. Thanks for the help guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsbikingnunn Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 try using some free-way penetrating oil http://www.lsengineers.co.uk/freeway-penetrating-fluid-500ml-tin-2871.html ive had to use it on a few things and its worked a treat, just squirt it over the areas where the threads are, leave it over night and then have another crack at it and follow the tarty guide too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperclip Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Your local bike should would do it for you and would be cheaper than buying a new set up, You can also ask him about the spacing. I'm not 100% sure which way your chainline is out but to me if you used a bottom bracket spacer would this not push your chain closer towards the frame. It sounds more like you have the wrong spacer in the rear hub (Maybe they are at the wrong sides of the hub) If you take out your rear wheel and check the axle spacers (they should just pull off) and swap them around. That would be a easy mistake to make for a newby and if so I wouldn't blame the guy you bought it off for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_SPAWN Posted May 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Ah dude! That may be it!! Is the larger spacer suposed to go on the drive side???? But then isnt my disk guna be out of line on tother side?? Just an update.. I got a 20quid angle grinder from argos and went at it like a boss... Ground it down so there was like 0.1mm left.before threads. Then same on opoaite side. Then hit it a few times n put a spanner on the flat bits i just made n it came off.like a prozies undies! Now i have a cruddy shamano plastic freewheel on lol just for time being. Does anyone have a freewheel that they want to swap fir a brand new trialtek rear 19 rim (drilled white tape) + a try all 108 freewheel stuck on a broken crank ( freewheel is working) - both those for 1 freewheel not attached. Thanks for all the help people. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_SPAWN Posted May 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Halfords said plain to me they cant be botherd/not worth hasstle/ dont sell the tool or cranks.... Lol wtf do they do apart from build apolo-crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Send me the broken crank and freewheel. Ill get it off for you with out wrecking it, me and my old fella have just about every tool ever invented 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_SPAWN Posted May 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Okay bud thats cool..just need to get some doh to post it, your not to far from..me.. im in notts. Ill pm you matie. Thanks a lot guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 (edited) Where abouts in notts? If you want, get the train to donny and you can come to mine, and I can have a proper look for you and sort stuff out. Shouldn't be too hard to fix, I have a vast array of washers/spacers etc Edited May 13, 2013 by bing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_SPAWN Posted May 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Sutton in ashfield near Mansfield. Same problem mate i dont have any money now for a.month or so as i spent everything on the bike but yeh i would definitly do that, allways helps to have 2 brains onit! Ok i think the problem is a combo of freewheel + fat chain and the split link. Another thig now i cant get my chain tension correct as the crap freewheel is not perfectly round, so its looseish in 1crank position, then very tight in the oposite crank position! but iv found a happy medium... Im just gunna ride it now, iv put tape on the frame to indicate if its still cutting-rubbing and if everything blows up ill havto start again with the drivetrain from scratch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 I'd come to you but I can't drive yet, still injured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_SPAWN Posted May 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Hehe aw well i apreciate that but all.i could give u in exchange is a rear trialtek rim 19". Ah hope u get well soon bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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