2013 Echo SL cranks.

[AdamR28]

Even more so if you are paying upwards of £100 for a part. If you are spending that kind of money, a reasonable lifespan is to be expected.

This is true - and those Echo cranks would last me for years. It's about the customer buying the correct product for their needs.

[bing]

This is true - and those Echo cranks would last me for years. It's about the customer buying the correct product for their needs.

As above, this is true also. You wouldn't buy these cranks and do Damon style drop gaps. If I was doing comps at expert/elite level, then yes maybe on cranks such as these. It is at that stage where lightness makes a difference, but also durability as well because you are putting your bike under more strain. Its these kind of things you have to weigh up before splashing the cash. These cranks on their own, in 90% of cases, riders won't notice the difference, other than aesthetics. But when coupled with other lightweight parts, then it does start to be more noticeable. On the whole, aesthetics are the reason people will buy these cranks, because they look funky and cool, not because of strength or durability. Based on the original post, it clearly isn't there

[ghostrider88]

Even more so if you are paying upwards of £100 for a part. If you are spending that kind of money, a reasonable lifespan is to be expected. Freewheels aren't really a valid point, because of the amount of hammer they get, and they way they are designed and built. Sometimes cheaper parts will last longer, but usually because they are heavier and more solidly built.

As far as I remember you were one of those people saying light weight bike=confidence (A)

[dave33]

As far as I remember you were one of those people saying light weight bike=confidence (A)

Light bikes are fine as long as they have balance

[bing]

As far as I remember you were one of those people saying light weight bike=confidence (A)

Yeah I did, but a lightweight bike won't last as long as one built from more solid weighty parts. Its all relative

[ghostrider88]

It´s about where you save that weight, it´s not a problem to be confident on light tubes or tires, what can happen? You get a pinchflat, so what...With lightweight bars, forks, cranks it´s a bit different though, when they fail, there´s big chance you will get hurt and that´s everything but confidence inspiring.

[Maxx]

This is true - and those Echo cranks would last me for years. It's about the customer buying the correct product for their needs.

So in the end do these cranks have manufacture default or are they just light cranks (wich can break more easily like others light parts - ti bb, ti pedals, light rims, ...) ?

I think the pic's guy broke the crank on a gap : the way the crank is crashed plus the fact he's left footed, I think the crank broke when the rear/right pedal was transmitting force to the ground (reception of a gap)

Edited May 8, 2013 by Maxx

[AdamR28]

So in the end do these cranks have manufacture default or are they just light cranks (wich can break more easily like others light parts - ti bb, ti pedals, light rims, ...) ?

Can't tell from one picture on the internet - but I would guess some heavier cranks would still be in one piece...

[dave33]

So in the end do these cranks have manufacture default or are they just light cranks (wich can break more easily like others light parts - ti bb, ti pedals, light rims, ...) ?

I think the pic's guy broke the crank on a gap : the way the crank is crashed plus the fact he's left footed, I think the crank broke when the rear/right pedal was transmitting force to the ground (reception of a gap)

It's clearly a defective part, not fit for the purpose intended. Just like a chocolate teapot it's no good to any one

But not may people are stupid enough to buy one

[Mark W]

In one thread you've gone from saying that they've been tested and they seemed up to the job through Andrei's riding to saying they're "like a chocolate teapot" and making claims about their popularity based on no actual knowledge of their sales? Are you schizophrenic or something?

[Blake]

It's clearly a defective part, not fit for the purpose intended. Just like a chocolate teapot it's no good to any one

But not may people are stupid enough to buy one

Not a defective part. It's not like they went doing a pedal kick first time

Edited May 8, 2013 by DrStix

[SamKidney]

I should have known better than to start this thread. I'd hoped that maybe some interesting conversation would have come of it....


From what I can tell from the most sensible posts here, the cranks aren't up to a more basher-esque style. So in that sense its answered what was my up comming question.
They wont suit me, Im not consistent enough.

[Mark W]

From what I can tell from the most sensible posts here, the cranks aren't up to a more basher-esque style.

Surely that should be fairly evident from the weight and the design of the crank though? If you're ever concerned about the durability of a product, or you're not sure if your style would suit a certain product it's usually as well to err on the safe side and not buy the lightest parts available.

Edited May 8, 2013 by Mark W

[SamKidney]

Surely that should be fairly evident from the weight and the design of the crank though? If you're ever concerned about the durability of a product, or you're not sure if your still would suit a certain product it's usually as well to err on the safe side and not buy the lightest parts available.

Not necessarily. As mentioned here/elsewhere the TR cranks have been hit and miss in terms of durability, yet theyre a light crank that many swear by.

Its a new product, and I'm no materials/design expert, so in my head it could have gone either way. They could be ridiculously weak or more than up to the job, which is why I asked if it was a one off or if other people had seen similar issues from them.

Greetings mentioned there was/is a design flaw that Echo are aware of, so they could yet prove to be relatively durable.

The only reason I was interested is they look super sweet, and my current rig lacks anything really "fancy". Its currently fully built on heavier parts. Older urban forks, Ice 2 frame, simple try-all expert cranks, heavy BB, dual wall rear rim etc... while nothings wrong with it, I wouldnt mind knocking off some weight while keeping it fairly durable.

Cranks were more appealing in that my current ones, while fully functional, look horrendously tatty and boring.

Edited May 8, 2013 by Echo Lite 09

[Maxx]

Can't tell from one picture on the internet - but I would guess some heavier cranks would still be in one piece...

I was not speaking about the cranks which are pictured in the first post, but about the whole new serie of theses cranks (Greetings says they have a desgin flaw).

I just wanted to know if there were a real problem like the first batch of Rockman cranks which tended to crack near the pedal thread

[ghostrider88]

In one thread you've gone from saying that they've been tested and they seemed up to the job through Andrei's riding to saying they're "like a chocolate teapot" and making claims about their popularity based on no actual knowledge of their sales? Are you schizophrenic or something?

He is not the only one who contradicts himself a lot.

[dngr2self]

This picture could have been of a proto version.

[Scoox]

This is true - and those Echo cranks would last me for years. It's about the customer buying the correct product for their needs.

That's great except that you are just guessing, and it sounds like you don't even use these cranks yourself, so you may be sending the wrong message to both Echo and riders shopping for cranks. Anyway, a picture like the one in the first post is very bad press for a newly released product, and I am sure we won't see many of them around (except for those that came fitted as part of a whole bike).

Personally I find it ludicrous that these are the most expensive cranks on Tarty when a) they have the least material in them, and us customers have to risk our ass beta-testing them.

For me the tiny weigh savings are immaterial. I'd rather MTFU and grow some muscle to lift an extra few grams than compromise on health and safety, so I'll stick with my Try-All cranks.

Surely that should be fairly evident from the weight and the design of the crank though? If you're ever concerned about the durability of a product, or you're not sure if your style would suit a certain product it's usually as well to err on the safe side and not buy the lightest parts available.

It's funny though that Echo supply these cranks with their GU bikes by default.

Edited May 9, 2013 by Scoox

[dave33]

In one thread you've gone from saying that they've been tested and they seemed up to the job through Andrei's riding to saying they're "like a chocolate teapot" and making claims about their popularity based on no actual knowledge of their sales? Are you schizophrenic or something?

Yea must be, I'm sure echo would tell you they have been tested

If Andrei is actually using these same cranks then that's a form of testing

Iv never said any thing about the popularity of the sales

Don't get your nickers in a twist

[dezmtber]

As far as I remember you were one of those people saying light weight bike=confidence (A)

Yes light weight compared to zoot steel forks and bars. Bing doesn't mean echo sl forks with extra holes drilled and stuffed with hydrogen filled johnnys.

If you could jump you bike as far as you jump to conclusions, you could be the trials evil kenevil.

[Mark W]

Iv never said any thing about the popularity of the sales

So saying that "not many people are stupid enough to buy one" isn't a comment on the amount of people who may have bought them?

But not may people are stupid enough to buy one

It's funny though that Echo supply these cranks with their GU bikes by default.

The GU is their lightest spec bike. If you think you're worried about breaking light parts, why would you be buying the lightest bike that Deng produces?

[dave33]

I said not many people are stupid enough to buy a chocolate tea pot, as I don't think it would do the job for reasons I'm sure you can work out for yourself

Didn't mention cranks, cranks are a pair which kinda gives away as your mr spelling and grammar

[Blake]

oh my f**king jesus what is this thread.

[ghostrider88]

This picture could have been of a proto version.

Maybe yes, maybe no, the fact is noone here knows how that happened, but everyone thinks it´s because those cranks aren´t good.

[ghostrider88]

Yes light weight compared to zoot steel forks and bars. Bing doesn't mean echo sl forks with extra holes drilled and stuffed with hydrogen filled johnnys.

If you could jump you bike as far as you jump to conclusions, you could be the trials evil kenevil.

Sorry, but 500+g cranks and 300+g bars aren´t lightweight by any means and weren´t even 5years ago. He obviously considers tt parts the strongest parts on the market, which I fully agree except for few parts(rims mostly), but they aren´t really lighweight, neither is onza frame or saint brakes. They are all reliable parts but light? I don´t think so.