clerictgm Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 Hi there! I have few questions about Marino. How much will it cost to build some 1 custom street-trial frame and fork with worldwide shipping now? And how long to wait? I miss my brown Marino.. swapped she for inspired only because Marino was curve.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 Expect a 6 month wait, and about £250 to get it made. Expect it to not be exactly as you ordered, but fairly close. If 'fairly close' is worth the money saving for you, then go for it. Personally, I'll be making my next bike something other than a Marino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clerictgm Posted April 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 6 months? oh my god this is madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 Yes, yes it is+his communication is a joke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam T Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 Message Jaf Bikes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 I don't think 6 months is long to wait for a custom frame. I know the waiting list for some fixie companies is over a year easy. but yer.... JAF. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 I don't think 6 months is long to wait for a custom frame. I know the waiting list for some fixie companies is over a year easy.Then they're stupid.6 months is ridiculous. Especially when you can have it within 2 weeks via Jaf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HippY Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 and what is the price of a Jaf ( let say) mod frame roughly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 depends on tubing, but between 250-350 in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 Then they're stupid. 6 months is ridiculous. Especially when you can have it within 2 weeks via Jaf. Who's ever waited 6 months? I don't know of anyone who's ever waited 6 months. Us latest lot waited 4-5 months, this is because Marino took on way too much work which has been discussed 1000 times, he came on here, apologised etc etc... My other 5 frames all took 2.5 to 3 months. He also had to send all the frames & forks to a seperate heat treating place (Jaf doesn't offer heat treating so he doesn't have to wait for that) This could go on forever, it's old. At the end of the day..... From what I remember someone here paid about £340 all in for a Jaf, you'll get it quicker, it won't be heat treated. A Marino will cost you around £230 ish, will take longer, and WILL be heat treated. Choice is yours. The end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 The difference is jaf frame doesn´t have to be heat treated as he uses different material. My bro had waited 2months for reply after he stated the geo he was after. He has jaf now and couldn´t be happier, the answer from marino still haven´t come btw. Marino is doing his business very, very wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant_ride Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 Hey hey, If it helps ill be selling my Marino 24" Inspired Fourplay Geo frame in chocolate brown, in about a week. Only been ridden about 8-10 times gently. Interested? Oli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 Us latest lot waited 4-5 months, this is because Marino took on way too much work which has been discussed 1000 times, he came on here, apologised etc etc.... With the greatest of respect, if he thinks a half hearted apology full of digs at a rival company who appear to be doing it right is going to fix things, then he's sadly mistaken. I'm sure he'll learn his lesson, but the point is that if you make a mistake and then just ignore your customers until you've sent the frames then you're opening yourself up to completely reasonable fire. Me and several other customers would have been totally fine if he'd told us he was overloaded and the potential due date was whenever. He didn't, he failed massively at customer service and now he's suffering the repercussions through once loyal customers and brand advocates telling people he's unprofessional and there are better options. I know you have to fight his corner as a sponsored rider, so this is nothing personal and I don't expect you to agree with me. Just putting it out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 Who's ever waited 6 months? I don't know of anyone who's ever waited 6 months.Us latest lot waited 4-5 months, this is because Marino took on way too much work which has been discussed 1000 times, he came on here, apologised etc etc...My other 5 frames all took 2.5 to 3 months.He also had to send all the frames & forks to a seperate heat treating place (Jaf doesn't offer heat treating so he doesn't have to wait for that)This could go on forever, it's old. At the end of the day.....From what I remember someone here paid about £340 all in for a Jaf, you'll get it quicker, it won't be heat treated.A Marino will cost you around £230 ish, will take longer, and WILL be heat treated.Choice is yours. The end.I said "6 months" as that's what I quoted. I don't know what the current expected waiting time is, so I just assumed the person who said it had got it from somewhere.When I got mine - about 18 months ago now so waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before the whole "taking on too much work" thing - I waited over four months. Maybe he "hurried" yours along as a team rider Jaf doesn't offer heat-treatment because they just don't need it - the same reason Marino should offer it as an option, not force you to have it. If it's anything to go by - both of my Jaf frames (AND my Marino, which is made from the same material as he still uses, making the whole thing very questionable ) have not been heat-treated. I only changed from the first one because I wanted to shed some weight once he had access to lighter tubesets.Can't argue with the price point though. Cost of materials (and the cost of living, after all) is more expensive over here.Pay a bit more for a short wait, or a bit less for a long wait - it's up to the punter. Haha.(If you pay a bit more and go with Jaf, you might also get the luxury of the geometry ending up what you asked for ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 The geo thing is the clincher for me, really. The whole point of a custom frame is speccing geo that you want, so if you spec that, wait for it to turn up then it shows up not what you asked for, it's sort of negated the whole point of it and you might as well have just got something 'off the shelf'. The main sticking point appears to be head angles as far as I can tell - frames showing up with head angles almost 2° out is pretty ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 I don't feel the need to fight his corner or anything, his communication is not good, he made mistakes and needs to fix them, I hope he does because the product is great, can't fault either of mine. I doubt he hurried mine though, I think I was the last one to get them! lol. But I don't care, I'm not a paying customer, they should get theirs first. As for heat treating, I don't know what needs it & what doesn't, I'm just a rider, and unless you put both frames through the same tests side by side then it's all speculation I suppose, I'm pretty sure you can refuse heat treating if you want though, I'm sure someone on this batch did. But he's been making frames a long time so I trust what he suggests. I'm sure there are issues every now & then like there are with any product. I personally haven't heard of any geo being out, I'm sure I read on the Jaf site to allow 5mm here & there, I'm not a frame builder but I'd imagine it's a bitch to get right, but mine are both pretty much spot on, chainstays came up 1mm shorter on both which is fine by me. But yeah, I can't speak from experience because I've had no problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake. Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 I'm not a paying customer You got your frames for free? Maybe that's one reason you're not so bothered about the wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 Well exactly lol, I totally understand anyone annoyed at the wait & not being kept up to date, said that since day one. But If I'm getting £500 worth of frames for free then I'm pretty grateful & I'll wait as long as I need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Leech Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 I don't feel the need to fight his corner or anything, his communication is not good, he made mistakes and needs to fix them, I hope he does because the product is great, can't fault either of mine. I doubt he hurried mine though, I think I was the last one to get them! lol. But I don't care, I'm not a paying customer, they should get theirs first. As for heat treating, I don't know what needs it & what doesn't, I'm just a rider, and unless you put both frames through the same tests side by side then it's all speculation I suppose, I'm pretty sure you can refuse heat treating if you want though, I'm sure someone on this batch did. But he's been making frames a long time so I trust what he suggests. I'm sure there are issues every now & then like there are with any product. I personally haven't heard of any geo being out, I'm sure I read on the Jaf site to allow 5mm here & there, I'm not a frame builder but I'd imagine it's a bitch to get right, but mine are both pretty much spot on, chainstays came up 1mm shorter on both which is fine by me. But yeah, I can't speak from experience because I've had no problems. At the end of the day, everyone makes mistakes. I have before, ordering the wrong tubing due to a shocking ordering system (the joys of long product codes ), doing an early one and setting up the jig for a completely different frame, ect, ect. It's how you deal with those mistakes that sets your course. I think Marino actually handled the time/mistakes in that order pretty well. Getting daves frame re-made so quickly was really good of him and he obviously went out of his way to do so. I'm not going to go into the heat treament today, as it's all been said before and every one has their own veiw on the matter, but I'd deffinately agree that it should be an option on the frame form. The terms and conditions on the site could really do with being changed to be honest, as I've never been out on a geometry to date (minus flipps new one as I had to make a rather major alteration mid build due to a change in decission, but that wouldn't happen with a customer as the geometries are confirmed before any payment/order confirmation is produced). I'd say if anyone has had problems with the geometry on their Marino, it's due to the lack of a jig, which for the money, is fair enough. Not cheap things and even harder to produce yourself (luckily, at the time of me making mine, I had access to a decent machine shop and expendable funds due to the joys of being a full time-youngster ). So, yeah, it's your choice at the end of the day clerictgm. Either way, I'm sure you'd be happy with the end result . Cheers all, Josh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 I asked him not to heat treat mine and he refused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperclip Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 I'm super happy with my Marino! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 All I can say is whatever you buy, make sure you know exactly what you want, take everything into account geometry wise. My last 2 frames before my 2 new ones were exactly what I asked for, but I got the geometry so wrong, to the point where I really didn't enjoy riding them, they were holding my riding back and even filming my big video was a bit of a shitty experience. I got the geo spot on this time & now I wanna ride more than ever & can't wait to film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 some of the frames that had the head angle off were because people who ordered had no idea of geo and ordered like 1080/365/72° and wanted a certain reach though,there are things you cant build because of physics.in that cases marino asks if youre sure,someone thinks he did his homework and either insist on the hta or the reach,not knowing that one makes the other impossible lol the lack of a decent jig plays a role in that too,imagine the build quality if he had one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dngr2self Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 Why would someone that builds frames not have a frame jig? If I turned up to plaster someone's house and told them "it might not be right because I don't have a trowel", then I'd quickly end up out of work. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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