TrialsRob Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 I have a stock onza zoot and at the moment I'm ready struggling to manual it, and I'm wondering if it is just me or if its my bike setup that's at fault. I'm a beginner at both street and trials so it could well just be me but I can manual mtbs fine, and back hops are fine too on the zoot.. The zoot does have a heavy front end by trials standards as its got steel forks/bars giving it 7-800g more weight than a more average set up, is that enough to weight the front end down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradJohnson Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 It's you, definitely you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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trialsiain Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 try a higher front end and play about with the bars and stem see if it makes is easier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showurcolours Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 I have a stock onza zoot and at the moment I'm ready struggling to manual it, and I'm wondering if it is just me or if its my bike setup that's at fault. I'm a beginner at both street and trials so it could well just be me but I can manual mtbs fine, and back hops are fine too on the zoot.. The zoot does have a heavy front end by trials standards as its got steel forks/bars giving it 7-800g more weight than a more average set up, is that enough to weight the front end down? I had a stock zoot and found it really hard to manual as well, changed the stem to a 90x35 and now it's fine, it also spins a little easier too! It's a really weird balance point on manuals though cus you gotta be leaning back but also quite upright (at least that's what I've found) - unlike bmx's or such where you are leaning back and also quite low down Hope that helps 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny00135 Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 I have a stock onza zoot and at the moment I'm ready struggling to manual it, and I'm wondering if it is just me or if its my bike setup that's at fault. I'm a beginner at both street and trials so it could well just be me but I can manual mtbs fine, and back hops are fine too on the zoot.. The zoot does have a heavy front end by trials standards as its got steel forks/bars giving it 7-800g more weight than a more average set up, is that enough to weight the front end down? It's you, definitely you. This is Brad, you're allowed to insult him, he doesn't have feelings This makes trials forum fun It's probably not you 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeperson45 Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 I'm going to say it's you. Changing the set up might make it a little easier but either way you're just going to have to practice til you get them right. I'd say save your money and just keep pulling up on those bars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosslittledubber Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 i previously rode street bmx for a few years and i could sit my fit on the back wheel pretty much forever lol... Get on my onza and the front end seems to be way too light for manuals, as weird as it sounds im contemplating making my front end heavier as im struggling with it being so light -even with backhops, dont get me wrong i can do them but 6 times out of 10 im straigjt off the back due to it being so light.. Almost like preparing to pick up a heavy box but then nearly chucking it over your shoulders because there is nowt in there.. Horrible feeling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 It's you, definitely you. You are a twat. I have a stock onza zoot and at the moment I'm ready struggling to manual it, and I'm wondering if it is just me or if its my bike setup that's at fault. I'm a beginner at both street and trials so it could well just be me but I can manual mtbs fine, and back hops are fine too on the zoot.. The zoot does have a heavy front end by trials standards as its got steel forks/bars giving it 7-800g more weight than a more average set up, is that enough to weight the front end down? I don't own a Zoot however I rode a couple of them last summer and I could not get the thing to manual. I can manual my Skye perfectly, my Fourplay before that and the weekend just gone I jumped on a few other bikes and no problems there.......so whilst you can of course manual a Zoot, for the life of me I couldn't get it so I definitely think there's something in it. I wondered about the front end weight, then realised that was nonsense. The stock stem is too long and too low but whatever I did I really struggled. I'd get a short, high stem to start and some high bars which should help a lot. If you're keeping the bike long term maybe some other forks with a longer steerer so you can raise the front end even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC12345678910 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 (edited) When I bought my zoot new, the first thing I changed was the stem and bars. I chose this in 110x35, 15mm stackers (original green zoot stem is 110x20deg, 10mm stacker) because this gave the height needed without chainging the reach too much. Bars were some phase 1.2 bars cos i had them already but these are T/tech standard rise in disguise and cut down to 680mm. Still run the same geo now on the fourplay V2, only now it's this trialtech stem, 25mm stackers and some Nukeproof warhead 760's cut down to 735mm Edited March 19, 2013 by CC12345678910 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrialsRob Posted March 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Very insightful replies, I will try out a 90mm 35deg stem, a bit further up the steerer tube for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 It's you, definitely you. Agreed. All bikes will manual unless they're retarded like fixies While some changes may help you manual, they may also mess up other manoeuvres. You'll need to figure what setup you favour by experimenting, and just keep practicing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 As Nick said, though I'd definitely change the bars for something a bit higher and more comfy as the standard Zoot bars are horrific Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sstein Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 The stock setup may make it a little harder to manual but once you have manuals dialled that should not really cause any problems. Just keep practicing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Getting your front end higher up and losing a few grams will deffo help with manuals and hops and such like, my recommendation would be a 90x35 stem, trialtech or tryall high rise bars, few stackers and some new forks, either inspired or echo urbans. You'll easily knock 700-800 grams off the front straight away. And sort your brake pads out as well, get some Lgvs or heatsink v brake pads on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brettoll Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Shorter stem, high rise bars and practice practice. The Zoot stem seems quite long for a streety feel 24", maybe as its luring you into trying not to move too far away from proper trials moves. Have a look at some of the street riders set up in videos and bike pictures on here see if you can grab some inspiration. For me though I ended up with a 90mm stem and 3 inch rise bars (like the ones below) http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=69197 http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=67681 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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