ghostrider88 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Well if that was the case why didn't you send it straight back and get a new one under warranty! I'm also sick of all this SL 'Talk' i'm not the smoothest rider, and i don't go easy on the drive-train and my SL didn't once click out of tune. I believe the people who have problems with the SL are the people who don't bed them in properly and just ride them hard from the first ride. Because sending parts like freewheel to UK from Slovakia is a lot of hassle and really not worth it, if I lived in the UK I would don´t worry. Also your bedding in theory is mistaken since SL´s are the only freewheel which don´t require this. So yeah, you are just lucky or don´t put enough power down the drivetrain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradJohnson Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Surely and 'Egg' shaped FW wouldn't turn ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 I haven´s seen a freewheel which wasn´t slightly egg shaped, but this was just too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0zzy Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 only in trials will you see people expecting stuff to last a lifetime yet pay like what £80 for a freewheel? that is nothing when you think how much strain it goes through. yet you still expect it to never break? if its breaks get it done on warrenty its simple. i would defo not hesitate about using one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 (edited) only in trials will you see people expecting stuff to last a lifetime yet pay like what £80 for a freewheel? that is nothing when you think how much strain it goes through. yet you still expect it to never break? if its breaks get it done on warrenty its simple. i would defo not hesitate about using one. I would say expecting 2seasons from expensive freewheel isn´t too much. Especially after my try all lasting me three and after another full season is still working flawlessly. Edited March 17, 2013 by ghostrider88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 ...which yet again shows that the "freewheel debate" is almost exactly the same as the "brake pad debate". It seems like a lot of people dislike the Try-All freewheels and find they skip a lot, yet you managed to get 3-4 'seasons' out of yours. Similarly, I've always had good experiences with LGMs yet others don't. The only difference is how creative people become in the ways they try and imagine why they haven't got on with a certain freewheel, whereas with pads it's just a case of not liking them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cai Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 This concept of 'batches' of freewheels is interesting too. Just to put an end to all of the conspirises, can you confirm that the silver version and the black version of the Echo SL freewheel are (excusing the obvious colour change) identical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny00135 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Everyone slating them for not lasting too long, I got mine second hand after being used for a year (I'm very cheap) and It's just recently konked out after 6 months of use.. I don't see that being too bad for a freewheel used for trials, given the amount of force put on them. They're not going to last forever, but they'll be reliable until they do die, and I'd rather have a season on a freewheel I can trust rather than a few years on a freewheel I'm not too sure about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Just to put an end to all of the conspirises, can you confirm that the silver version and the black version of the Echo SL freewheel are (excusing the obvious colour change) identical? It won't end anything. As far as I'm aware they haven't changed the design of it - apart from the obvious change to the 4 slotted removal tabs rather than the 8 individual ones, but I think there were silver freewheels with that style too so that's not really relevant. That's all sort of by the by anyway though - there could be some slight changes in materials or whatever that we wouldn't know about, but again I doubt they'd really change anything from a system that was proven to work well. I think we got one or two where the core broke which was probably down to there being some issue with the material used in that specific freewheel, but that's going to be the same for any product out there - they won't all be 100% perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjd4000 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Is a silver one goin to be produced or are they sticking to black? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 (edited) ...which yet again shows that the "freewheel debate" is almost exactly the same as the "brake pad debate". It seems like a lot of people dislike the Try-All freewheels and find they skip a lot, yet you managed to get 3-4 'seasons' out of yours. Similarly, I've always had good experiences with LGMs yet others don't. The only difference is how creative people become in the ways they try and imagine why they haven't got on with a certain freewheel, whereas with pads it's just a case of not liking them. It really isn´t the same, the LGM pads are still the same, some people like them, some don´t. Everybody used to like the first generation of SL freewheels besides Rusevelt who f**ked it up himself. You cannot deny that since they stopped producing silver version they fail a lot more, just like greetings who sold them a lot no doubt confirmed in the other thread. They are different and no longer the ultimate freewheel IMO, which is sad because it seemed that freewheel choice wasn´t no longer a question. But it is, again. Edited March 17, 2013 by ghostrider88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsiain Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 if they are breaking ( mine hasent and hasnt even skipped yet) will echo realise and start producing them like they used too ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trials-Mikey Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 my sl has work brilliantly for a whole month and 12 days it has just started to work backwards and runs rough, has lost quite a few engagement points (its black btw). I have just sent this back to tarty. i personally didn't bed it in as i was told i didn't have to and i have been through two freewheels both sl's and i don't regret it i feel that the time they do work right are brilliant. Hopefully tarty can fix this with a quick turnover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Dear Haters and Statistic Skewers,Other than being quite difficult to remove from my old cranks, my SL has been nothing but perfect for the 9 months I've had it, and I often use it as a brake.Just sayin'.Yours sincerely,A. Bascher 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny00135 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 my sl has work brilliantly for a whole month and 12 days it has just started to work backwards and runs rough, has lost quite a few engagement points (its black btw). I have just sent this back to tarty. i personally didn't bed it in as i was told i didn't have to and i have been through two freewheels both sl's and i don't regret it i feel that the time they do work right are brilliant. Hopefully tarty can fix this with a quick turnover You snapped a pawl.. or you got dirt in it.. either way to could have solved It by opening it up and cleaning it. But it can be a real pain to get the lockring off.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsiain Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 ive had mine since last summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny00135 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 I've just bought a second hand one.. I have a very strong faith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Look at it this way then, and ask yourself the question again. Out of all the people I ride with, they use tensile 60 click, white industries ENO, tryall 108.9(mine), try all 120.9, and of course the ubiquitous echo sl 108. Out of all those people, and there is quite a few of them, the only people who have had problems with breakages are the echo sl lot. The lad with the tryall 120.9, his skips occasionally, but shows no signs of breaking. 3 of them with echo sl's have all had the freewheel crack and shatter, and a 4th lad today has had his fail. Think of that what you will, try all and tensile can't be that bad really can they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny00135 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Look at it this way then, and ask yourself the question again. Out of all the people I ride with, they use tensile 60 click, white industries ENO, tryall 108.9(mine), try all 120.9, and of course the ubiquitous echo sl 108. Out of all those people, and there is quite a few of them, the only people who have had problems with breakages are the echo sl lot. The lad with the tryall 120.9, his skips occasionally, but shows no signs of breaking. 3 of them with echo sl's have all had the freewheel crack and shatter, and a 4th lad today has had his fail. Think of that what you will, try all and tensile can't be that bad really can they? We're not slagging off other freewheels though.. We're defending the Sl after it's been slagged off. I don't see why everyone should be making such a fuss. It's like it's become a religion, how long before we go to war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Never said anyone was Danny boy, was just merely putting across what I've seen with my own eyes. The lad was asking if anyone could recommend an sl. Based upon what I've seen recently, that would be a no. But all the people with an older model of sl appear to have no trouble. So if I was to buy a brand new freewheel now, I wouldn't recommend an sl, I'd recommend a tensile 60 click, or based on mine, a tryall 108.9. And care must be taken to clean the assembly grease out and bed them in properly. I think there should be a freewheel review thread, just like the pad review thread but with the obvious freewheel related changes. Then everybody can get there opinion out for all to see 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trials-Mikey Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 We're not slagging off other freewheels though.. We're defending the Sl after it's been slagged off. I don't see why everyone should be making such a fuss. It's like it's become a religion, how long before we go to war? I thought the war was commencing this week against the haterz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny00135 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 I thought the war was commencing this week against the haterz Great, now it won't be a surprise attack -.- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trials-Mikey Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Haters be like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny00135 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Haters be like yes, but that day spent riding, not bedding it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob L Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 I would just like to say that having had experience with try all, monty, tensile, acs and echo freewheels aswell as seing my friends canibalise virtually all other freewheels the only clear option for me is the echo. I had one of the first try-alls from tartys and it skipped frequently for about 8 months until one day it droped apart mid gap. I also had one of the first echo sl's from tartys and it didnt skip once throughout its 2 years of abuse until it one day ceased to engage. I have recently taken to a brand new black echo sl freewheel and it seems exactly the same, the only difference other than the colour is the 8 tab removal system. So stop wingeing if your breaking them it may be because you have a defective one it doesnt mean there all bad, if i had to replace the most important part of my drivetrain every 6months i really wouldnt care, its like a tenner every month! its cheaper than adopting an african anyway 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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