ogre Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Hey I picked up a hifi last year and I ride it as well as my mod despite only using it occasionally and my mod being my main bike.. I rode stock for ages before going to mod but I feel I ride the mod with more style and I progressed on it massively. Oh and to weigh in in weight weenies the mod is a kilo and a half lighter than the stock and I can power the stock as happily as the mod... discussion go! And no cause stocks are ace posts please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradJohnson Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Because stocks are simply bigger. When your on the rear wheel everything looks a lot smaller than it does on a mod. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials hoe Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 longer bike allows for more 'leverage' meaning you can get a bit 'more' power in? and stocks tend to ride a bit 'slower' so you have a bigger window to get your timing dialed in. that's the way it feels to me anyway, but it probably makes no sense.......... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake. Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Cause they have bigger wheels = easier to put the power down, and there's more surface grip area than mods so in theory you're more likely to land a gap and grip the wall. Also with a Magura they're more powerful on a stock than mod I think, someone correct me if I'm wrong. It's something to do with the wheel size I can't get my mind round why I'm thinking this haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials hoe Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Also with a Magura they're more powerful on a stock than mod I think, someone correct me if I'm wrong. It's something to do with the wheel size I can't get my mind round why I'm thinking this haha. because the wheel is the equivalent of a rotor in a rim brake, thus a bigger wheel has the same effect as a bigger rotor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Only the rear brake is more powerful because the rim/wheel diameter ratio is higher on a stock than it is on a mod due to the massive tyre. The difference on the front wheel is marginal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake. Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 because the wheel is the equivalent of a rotor in a rim brake, thus a bigger wheel has the same effect as a bigger rotor? Yeah but I can't get my head round the fact the wheel is moving faster if it's bigger so therefore it shouldn't be easier to brake? Doing my head in haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted March 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 I dont beleive the brake thing.. its more you can get away with discs on a mod due to the smaller wheel. Rim brakes are better on a stock cause you need a huge disc to match up the size difference. And they feel flexy as balls cause of their size... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Not sure how I feel on the matter. To me its psychological. The bigger wheels put you higher up and make everything look/seem smaller. When I first got my ozonys, I could immediately go and do things I wouldn't have even approached on the mod, but I went back to a mod and could do them just as easily because I'd got my head round knowing that I can approach it and not die. I wouldn't have said stocks easier. Either way on either sized bike you have to travel the same distance or the same height. With regards to brakes, I found that the brakes on my stock seemed to work just as well as my mod If I spent the time on them when setting them up. A magura that is. The whole grip is better on a stock thing is bollocks, the grip difference is marginal if non existant. I like stock, but I don't like how flexy they can feel. Mods are silly fun with how bouncy they are, and there's no reason at all why you couldn't go as big on a mod as someone may on stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinkdougie Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 As Sam said above, I believe its all in your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
315r Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Stocks are easy for some things and difficult for others. The idea of "its bigger and you have this space gained" its ridiculous because you have to pull up the same space... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 I agree with the psychosomatic effect of bigger wheels, I cant go anywhere near as big on mod as i can a stock purely because im lower down and everything looks massive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmertrials Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Mod is more comfortable for natural I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmtber Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 The contact patch of the tyres is different so stock is easier to find the small rock or rail you intend to land on. One you have done it a few times on the stock your confidence makes it possible on the mod. The contact patch of the tyres is different so stock is easier to find the small rock or rail you intend to land on. One you have done it a few times on the stock your confidence makes it possible on the mod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 The contact patch of the tyres is different so stock is easier to find the small rock or rail you intend to land on. One you have done it a few times on the stock your confidence makes it possible on the mod. The contact patch of the tyres is different so stock is easier to find the small rock or rail you intend to land on. One you have done it a few times on the stock your confidence makes it possible on the mod. ... Equally you have a lot less space to deal with when in a tight space on a stock due to wheelsize. So each plus has it's minus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 why is 24" so much more awesome?? you know what i mean guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew_coggan Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) As for the wheels and brakes argument, I think I have the answer. A smaller wheel moves faster and rotates quicker round then a larger one so with a bigger wheel its moveing slower therefore its less work on the pads so should be slightly better. Makes sence in my head but correct me if am wrong. I have just bought a stock after rideing mod for a while and had my 1st ride on it today, I could gap 8ft on it and on my mod if i got 7ft it was lucky but my side hops arnt as good so there are advantages and disadvantages, but am hopeing the sidehops will come back with practice. Edited March 16, 2013 by matthew_coggan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Main reason I sold my stock is because my sidehop's on it completely sucked. I find it easier to go bigger on a mod just got to balls at it more, although if you're used to mod it just feels normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 stock is not easier, there are advantages and disadvantages remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williams Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 After reading through this I realised that something between a stock and a mod should best? And we all know that that's a 24". Or is my thought completetly wrong, orrrrr...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 My 24" was a pig to setup correctly and get feeling nice all round. Short and low stem made sidehops and moves to rear sweet, but made everything to front/two wheelie sucky. Long stem made it a beaut for front wheel moves, and rolling stuff, but sides and to rears suffered. I can ride a stock to an equal level as my mod, with time to adjust. Once you've got your head round the perspective difference its all about adjusting your style/mindset to suit the wheelsize. Tyre contact points again is rubbish. I can place a wheel just as easily on a stock than a mod, if not easier on a mod because Im lower down and can sight the object easier. Again, same heights, same distances. It's all in your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamWood! Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 It's only men that ride stocks that's why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Benito, Abel, Vincent, Comas, Diego etc... would beg to differ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevinfor Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 I feel like I can go a lot bigger on my stock than I could on my mods, but that might be down to the simple fact that I have a lot more experience now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake. Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Had a go on a mod today and I just cannot get the power down, feels so bouncy on the back wheel though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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