ZeroMatt Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Source? Also Cannabis≠Cannabinoids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Anscombe Posted February 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/07/living/parents-talk-synthetic-marijuana-irpt/index.html http://www.renalbusiness.com/news/2013/02/synthetic-marijuana-dangerous-for-kidneys.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 I don't really see what CancerResearchUK and all the other people looking into it have to gain from 'lying' about it? Similarly, if they can find the main "active ingredient" (for want of a better term), then develop that and find a suitable means of dispensing it then they could improve on just doing some DIY cannabis oil and hoping for the best... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Anscombe Posted February 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2273440/Teen-left-brain-damaged-blind-smoking-synthetic-marijuana.html#axzz2KjhVdiY1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 The daily mail isn't credible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Anscombe Posted February 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Thc is the term! And its best consumed in its natural state! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/07/living/parents-talk-synthetic-marijuana-irpt/index.html http://www.renalbusiness.com/news/2013/02/synthetic-marijuana-dangerous-for-kidneys.aspx Those are talking about 2 specific versions of synthetic marijuana - not ALL of them - and the first one appears to not actually say what the substance was apart from 'potpourri'? That Daily Mail link (lol) also seems to be fairly lacking in facts about what it actually was. It also appears to be that 'potpourri' stuff, which to be fair you'd have to be f**king stupid to smoke anyway... It seems like it could essentially be no different to people taking - say - coke that's cut with bad shit, rather than 'everything synthetic is bad'? EDIT: A quick Google search shows that it appears to be the chemicals they mix it with that cause the issue, rather than the synthetic version of THC itself. Seemingly exactly what I was saying about it being comparable to coke cut with random shit. As a result, a pharmaceutical company working to rigorous standards shouldn't really have much of an issue developing the synthetic THC itself, rather than f**king people up with random shit they cut into it to make it taste or smell a certain way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Anscombe Posted February 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 The daily mail isn't credible. The story is all over the net in various papers and new channels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroMatt Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 That's all synthetic Cannabis not Cannabinoids, the two are not the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Anscombe Posted February 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Those are talking about 2 specific versions of synthetic marijuana - not ALL of them - and the first one appears to not actually say what the substance was apart from 'potpourri'? That Daily Mail link (lol) also seems to be fairly lacking in facts about what it actually was. It also appears to be that 'potpourri' stuff, which to be fair you'd have to be f**king stupid to smoke anyway... It seems like it could essentially be no different to people taking - say - coke that's cut with bad shit, rather than 'everything synthetic is bad'? EDIT: A quick Google search shows that it appears to be the chemicals they mix it with that cause the issue, rather than the synthetic version of THC itself. Seemingly exactly what I was saying about it being comparable to coke cut with random shit. Not everything synthetic is bad! Take a look at monsanto -Would you eat their food-fruit and veg with built in pesticides ect ect......They are the ones who will produce this Synthetic cannabis! gmo is not our friend! but thats going off topic this whole topic is somthing i hold close to my heart !Its why i fight its corner ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 EDIT: A quick Google search shows that it appears to be the chemicals they mix it with that cause the issue, rather than the synthetic version of THC itself. Seemingly exactly what I was saying about it being comparable to coke cut with random shit. As a result, a pharmaceutical company working to rigorous standards shouldn't really have much of an issue developing the synthetic THC itself, rather than f**king people up with random shit they cut into it to make it taste or smell a certain way. "Monsanto" - to quote them - are "A sustainable agriculture company". In much the same way that Nurofen don't get a farmer to grow them ibuprofen, I don't really get how that'd be any different? Getting health-related drugs to market isn't easy, and I'd imagine any controls on something related to anything that is/was illegal would be placed under even more scrutiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Anscombe Posted February 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 "Monsanto" - to quote them - are "A sustainable agriculture company". In much the same way that Nurofen don't get a farmer to grow them ibuprofen, I don't really get how that'd be any different? Getting health-related drugs to market isn't easy, and I'd imagine any controls on something related to anything that is/was illegal would be placed under even more scrutiny. "Monsanto" - to quote them - are "A sustainable agriculture company". In much the same way that Nurofen don't get a farmer to grow them ibuprofen, I don't really get how that'd be any different? Getting health-related drugs to market isn't easy, and I'd imagine any controls on something related to anything that is/was illegal would be placed under even more scrutiny. the fda and monsanto work verry closely together!-With more searching mark you will see what im getting at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 NWO, right? Also, NICE are the body who'd dictate anything UK-related, so it'd be links to them I'd be more interested in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sharn Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 I personally, am slightly intrigued now.. In terms of hemps skin healing qualities. I'm still not absolutely sure that i'd be confident telling other people it'll cure their cancer, but i certainly don't see why it couldn't be possible over many other substances; as the video says we have incredible connections with this plant and its structures. I have for a while been an admirer of this great plant, mainly only ever having eaten or inhaled the substance for mental effect. However, I have a small patch of sore skin on my ankle, which iv'e been told is a fungul skin infection It's and is about the size of a ten pence piece. Im genuinely intrigued because iv'e had it about 6 months and doc gave me some cream (fucibet?) which has worked to an extent; stopped it getting itchy and has reduced the main centre bit to quite small but has not dissapeared totally! ( It was about size of a 2p at the height of its career) So Andy, on a serious note.. can you get hold of this pure oil legally in shops? In the uk? If so please direct me to a source if you could. I know you can get hemp oil for eating in some healthy nuts and dried bits shops. ( Love a good handful of nuts.. ) It's no where near the same but Maybe i'll try that stuff? Its pretty hempy and olive oil is always good on your skin so.. doubt it's going to be bad? Or the total opposite and totally GIVE me cancer? I know this guys talkin bout pure oil, but i hav'nt got ÂŁ200 to spend on an ounce to rub on my foot at the minute I'm willing to investigate though! If for nothing but the sake of my efforts earlier in the discussion! I'll try the hemp oil food supp and i shall update in this thread to show my findings. ( I need to buy some more of this anyway.. It's really tasty!) Very interesting video andy, thanks for posting it up. As usual with forum discussions; they tend to spiral into nonsense and so i apologise for my part in that, in my defence.. i was high Obviously most of my comments have been about the mental association with smoking it. I'm still on the fence with it regarding cancer.. but i'm not going to dismiss the idea; even if it doesnt correct the cancer cells, i'm a firm believer in it's many other benefits. Even simply making you sleep well is considered a good thing medically! Your body does alot of healing during sleep/medatitive states. Although i would say ' smoke with caution'.. and use it to relax. As someone mentioned earlier.. It's not really a party drug now is it? 'Get on the table and dance' .. 'No, im trying to get this unicorn to stop crying' 'He's lost his way' 'It's a candle' 'Oh, how rude. Got any muncheeeeze?' On a side note; I had my friends farther, who was a retired GP tell me that MDMA can help with cell and nerve re-building. He quit his practice as he did not agree with the many of the drugs he was having to prescribe to his patients and interestingly he wanted to be able to prescribe people hemp/mdma in some cases and couldn't which frustrated him. Anyway, i'll try this oil on my skin and see what happens! Andy, don't take the skeptisism personally.. ''Losing hope is worse than losing life. Ciao for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 ...farther... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharn Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 You're still missing my point that it's actually the potentially more profitable thing to cure people than it is to let them die. Plus you're still avoiding my point that if it worked people would be exploiting it, because that's the more profitable path. As your'e obviously desperate for a reply to this notion.. Ill say this purely to contribute and not to express my own opinions; Wouldn't it, from a buisness point of view, be more profitable to have people stay alive, but still be ill and in need of product, rather than fully cured? I'm not suggesting hemp oil is the total cure.. as iv'e said i'm still on the fence with it but like the chap in video said, and i have also witnessed, chemo doesn't really leave people in the best shape either.. does'nt have that great of a success rate and is obviously expensive, especially if it's not overwhemingly successful.. (you do pay; through your taxes) Again, I'm not totally sure what the cure is.. maybe get away from the things that are giving us cancer? Ensuring we are getting all the things our bodies need to function and protect/repair properly itself? Finally if all else fails.. Microwave the fuc*ers? Thc is the term! And its best consumed in its natural state! *Skins up* ( I roll pure.. (A) ) Amen. ...farther... Hah! Not a word im very familiar with.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 The reason why im posting here....Is because this is important information that could save the lives of people you know and love....As well as pets ! Im out to help people and i have been this way for around 2 years! I actually find all this offensive. You've been sprouting a load of complete utter bullshit about conspiracy theories and how weed is a big cover up and its healthy and all this shit, and thats fine. No problem with a retard on a forum entertaining people with ridiculous fantasy internet myths. But actually trying to say to people who have (or may have in the future) a serious life threatening illness, that they should ignore all medical research and trials to date and ignore their best chances for a cure put forward by EVERY doctor and specialist they see is just plain offensive. Several of my family and friends have died of cancer, some after long difficult struggles - its hideous, and Im not having a f**kwit like you come on here and talk bullshit about something as serious as this. Im not saying there are no health benefits to it and maybe it can be used to help some cancer but until it is properly researched and tested scientifically, and become a recognised positive treatment - You can f**k off. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 maybe he thought we do clinical trials here :wink2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 I lost my grandad to cancer, he fought it for 8 years and had loads of treatment - it spread pretty much everywhere. It would be great if that could have been cured by cannabis but I just can't see it. As many have said already, if it was such a miracle cure then companies definitely would have cashed in on it by now. Cancer is awful and I'd love to see a drug come out that sorts it, but I can't see it being cannabis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showurcolours Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Has anyone heard of the Texas Sharpshooter Logical Fallacy? Seems appropriate here... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Sorry I'm not reading 8 pages. Can someone give me a 1 line summary? Cannabis HELPS cancer suffers to go into remission? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 A version of cannabis helps defeat cancer for a while and then it stops working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Shorter version, Dave Anscombe in bullshitting shocker. OPEN YOUR EYES MMAAHHHHNNNN, THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewEH1 Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) Cancer never goes away, in the end you'll still be sitting beside a loved one watching them fade away. Dave, get off that crack pipe, you're being an insensitive twat. Edited February 13, 2013 by AndrewEH1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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