Time for a serious talk about cannabis!

[Mr Curve]

I remember my first Jeffrey.

Also Jack Meek is not very keen on the smell of it at Radfest haha

Edited February 11, 2013 by Mr Curve

[Jolfa]

Although it messed myself and a lot of my mates up, I wouldn't change it, fantastic couple of years!

I only wish I hadn't smoked it so excessively so I could have it as an occasional treat now

[ogre]

i wish it was dubbed as a worse product than it is so i'd have avoided it all together instead of wasting a grotesque amount of time and money on the stuff. it can be addictive and hard to break that cycle. although i know its not a bad thing on an occasion, it can easily become 'that thing you do' and then it really f**ks you.

[eskimo]

i wish it was dubbed as a worse product than it is so i'd have avoided it all together instead of wasting a grotesque amount of time and money on the stuff. it can be addictive and hard to break that cycle. although i know its not a bad thing on an occasion, it can easily become 'that thing you do' and then it really f**ks you.

Refer to the post above yours, you had fun right!? And least you know how real smokers roll now

[JT!]

No because I want to drink in clubs, pubs etc as a social thing, Cannabis isn't the same as that. I have no reason to blaze other than places I currently can even with it being illegal.

I think it will mean more people use it as well to be honest, and I don't really think people smoking rather than drinking is a good thing either.

Well smoking pot is much safer than people drinking alcohol, it's less addictive, doesn't make people run round town smashing people in the face.

It's kind of a shitty selfish attitude to have, it's like when people talk about gay marriage and say "well I'm not gay so I really don't care".

[Max Quinn]

Most people I know that drink a lot are in much more stable and healthy frame of mind then those that don't drink much and smoke a lot. From my experience, it's more addictive as well. Not just me but looking round at people, it easily becomes a definition of a person rather than something they do at weekends. I've seen people go down some really shit paths through gange and seen people sectioned so my beliefs are what they are and care not for you thinking they're shitty. Cannabis is a great thing that I love, but it's not for the weak minded, and I believe legalisation would see many more people messed up by it.

The only benefit of legalisation is that they could try and encourage certain more healthy and less potent, mind destroying strains, but no one wants to smoke some shit bushweed so people would still just buy illegally if that happened.

And yer, that's exactly how I feel about gay marriage haha. The selfishness in my attitude is something I've already pointed out myself, but the fact is, there's much more important things to be worrying about then whether or not someone else can smoke plants when if they really wanted to that much they could generally just do it anyway.

Edit: Typical that I got sucked into this after only putting finger to key to say that 'poo poo' is an entertaining phrase.

Edited February 11, 2013 by Max Quinn

[Muel]

Well smoking pot is much safer than people drinking alcohol, it's less addictive, doesn't make people run round town smashing people in the face.

Heard that kinda shit so many times, but I really don't buy it. I was a massively heavy drinker for a couple of years, as were all my mates, and none of us have any visible symptoms of long-term damage. The 3/4 heavy stoners I know, however, definitely show signs of long-term damage, like slow speech, going off on random tangents in the middle of someone else talking, not listening to people, and not getting upset about things when they really should.

Less addictive? Again, I've known 3/4 heavy stoners who all struggled to kick it after a couple of years of daily use (even if they switched to normal fags), yet after a couple of years of drinking heavily, none of my mates are having "issues".

Also only known of a couple of occasions in my life when I saw anyone getting violent because of alcohol. Far more occasions than that when sober!

Just from my experience. I could easily be totally wrong!

[sharn]

Hate to do it but i'm going to have to be that really annoying chap for a minute..

Well smoking pot is much safer than people drinking alcohol, it's less addictive, doesn't make people run round town smashing people in the face.

It's kind of a shitty selfish attitude to have, it's like when people talk about gay marriage and say "well I'm not gay so I really don't care".

It is absolutely no safer than drinking alcohol.. In terms of 'social safety' as we're discussing. Imagine that it is due to some lovely chap being a little drunk that he manages to find the courage to tackle a horrible person doing something shitty in the streets, whereas maybe the same guy whos had a bit of a smoke and is passing the same incident a little paranoid or 'out of the moment' or something and does not choose to do anything. subsequently the shitty thing either happens or doesnt and may result in something 'not safe'.

The question i'd have to ask is that it's safer for who?

On the other hand there are thousands of people drunk as garden gnome; who laugh and shout the days away and something really shitty in society gets overlooked and un-noticed and results in something that is 'unsafe' for many people, including our smoker/drinker. However, him/her being a smoker has spent many hours 'out the box' contemplating things and generating a quiter more compassionate life and is lead to actively tackle this (hypothetical) problem and creates a result which prevents the 'unsafe' event/outcome arising. Same could be said for a smoker i suppose?!

Remember these are both drugs, which change our state of reference/thinking/being and can result in many things, even overlapping to create the same 'positives' or 'negatives' as the other!

EDIT: I'm obviously talking about smoking bud. My points are in reference to the negative aspects of inhaling the smoke.. which is done so the drug reaches the brain, thus affecting mental aspects of a person.

As for the drunken twat going round smashing people in the face that you describe.. I actually have a broken skull right now. 3 fractures to zygoma and orbital and a 'shifted' cheekbone nearly 3mm from just one (MASSIVE! ) and quite un-provoked 'smash to the face' from one (presumably) drunken young man. Gotta say, i'd had a few myself and was having a good laugh with a few friends. I don't think he quite agreed with the notion of a good time and obviously felt an uncontrollable need to end the enjoyment right there and then.

Gotta say i wish he'd stayed at home and rolled up a fat one that night!

On the flip side, iv'e felt just as upset with people in my life for smoking to much weed and turning into soggy little fajitas and at some points wouldv'e loved to see them get up and have abit of a tussle! Or at least pause the x-box to wipe the dribble from their chin.

EDIT: I have friends who do just ingest the substance, and they say, and i'd agree, it's a much less intense 'high' and they enjoy that more. As for oils as skin treatment.. that's actually quite new to me but i wouldnt put it past the little miracle plant

But even so, i guess i'm trying to say that everything has it's place. I'm just trying to say let's not make a case for something by de-grading somehting else.

The video doesnt mention alcohol?

Although i might agree there are surely many more health benefits surrounding the plant than there is alcohol. But also.. which kind? I personally think wine is rather fine and i like to believe it's juicey nature does something good for me!

Most people I know that drink a lot are in much more stable and healthy frame of mind then those that don't drink much and smoke a lot. From my experience, it's more addictive as well. Not just me but looking round at people, it easily becomes a definition of a person rather than something they do at weekends. I've seen people go down some really shit paths through gange and seen people sectioned so my beliefs are what they are and care not for you thinking they're shitty. Cannabis is a great thing that I love, but it's not for the weak minded, and I believe legalisation would see many more people messed up by it.

The only benefit of legalisation is that they could try and encourage certain more healthy and less potent, mind destroying strains, but no one wants to smoke some shit bushweed so people would still just buy illegally if that happened.

And yer, that's exactly how I feel about gay marriage haha. The selfishness in my attitude is something I've already pointed out myself, but the fact is, there's much more important things to be worrying about then whether or not someone else can smoke plants when if they really wanted to that much they could generally just do it anyway.

Edit: Typical that I got sucked into this after only putting finger to key to say that 'poo poo' is an entertaining phrase.

I agree with what you've said here about it sometimes becoming abit of a 'definition' of an individual. I think the majority of cases when someone goes to far with it and forgets the balance they tend to literally 'go too far' and get ill/anxious/depressed etc- a bodily sign that you should probably go for a walk or get a road bike! (A)

I think in these cases, just as if it was too far with drink, you'd hope their close friends would be their to support them and help them find a better path. In some cases it's very difficult and i totally understand that. But i truly believe in fresh air and good excersize!

I have absolutely nothing against your personal position towards the anything, i'm just adding to your discussion! Infact i think we agreed? Not sure.. I'm also just typing

I do agree, (smoking) strong weed is not for the faint hearted! And like with drinking.. takes a while to build a tolerance!

Heard that kinda shit so many times, but I really don't buy it. I was a massively heavy drinker for a couple of years, as were all my mates, and none of us have any visible symptoms of long-term damage. The 3/4 heavy stoners I know, however, definitely show signs of long-term damage, like slow speech, going off on random tangents in the middle of someone else talking, not listening to people, and not getting upset about things when they really should.

Less addictive? Again, I've known 3/4 heavy stoners who all struggled to kick it after a couple of years of daily use (even if they switched to normal fags), yet after a couple of years of drinking heavily, none of my mates are having "issues".

Also only known of a couple of occasions in my life when I saw anyone getting violent because of alcohol. Far more occasions than that when sober!


Just from my experience. I could easily be totally wrong!

I don't think many people would disagree that your'e far more likely to get agressive when drunk than stoned. You've really seen more sober violence than drunken>? Woah. Sheffields got issues! I think it's pretty common to associate violence and drunkeness. As i was in hospital holding my broken face the other week, there was a chap sat across from me, blatantly drunk, with a broken hand.. obviously punched something? I'm not saying you're wrong but i think its a common connection! And alot less common than with the stereotypical stoner making physcodelic dub in between chapters of 'The Aquarian conspriacy'..

Anyway, i say if you've not smoked (or rubbed in) enough to realise the benefits of marajuwana, you cant really say much. If youve smoked too much and gone abit far; you know the dangers. If you've never drank enough to make an absolute tit of yourself, spouting pure verbs and dancing/fighting till youre asleep in a pile of your own sick and blood, you probably havnt seen the immeasurable benefits of these such states either? If you've never drank just the right amount to feel confident and pleasant in a situation, you cant dicatate to someone else that they hav'nt either.

It's just a ride. What matters is that you don't pay to get on and that you don't mind when you gotta get off. (Even weed won't make you live forever)

P.s; I hardly smoke much these days.. And when i do i like to roll 'One spliff' and make it last :wink2: Few tokes at a time. Ain't no rush.

Excuse me while i light my.. Oh lord i got to take a.. EDIT: Remember when you smoke it youre doing it to affect you brain/mind/consciousness This is not the way the video is talking about how it helps with bodily cells.

Sorry if i sound like i'm stating any truths. It's all speculation. Maybe the hypothetic stoned guy is really a secret ninja and kicked that nasty chap square in the chops!

Although i do declare it's impossible to read a book drunk!

EDIT: Edited many times because i don't know what i'm talking about

Edited February 12, 2013 by sharn

[JT!]

Most people I know that drink a lot are in much more stable and healthy frame of mind then those that don't drink much and smoke a lot. From my experience, it's more addictive as well. Not just me but looking round at people, it easily becomes a definition of a person rather than something they do at weekends. I've seen people go down some really shit paths through gange and seen people sectioned so my beliefs are what they are and care not for you thinking they're shitty. Cannabis is a great thing that I love, but it's not for the weak minded, and I believe legalisation would see many more people messed up by it.

The only benefit of legalisation is that they could try and encourage certain more healthy and less potent, mind destroying strains, but no one wants to smoke some shit bushweed so people would still just buy illegally if that happened.

And yer, that's exactly how I feel about gay marriage haha. The selfishness in my attitude is something I've already pointed out myself, but the fact is, there's much more important things to be worrying about then whether or not someone else can smoke plants when if they really wanted to that much they could generally just do it anyway.

Edit: Typical that I got sucked into this after only putting finger to key to say that 'poo poo' is an entertaining phrase.

Heard that kinda shit so many times, but I really don't buy it. I was a massively heavy drinker for a couple of years, as were all my mates, and none of us have any visible symptoms of long-term damage. The 3/4 heavy stoners I know, however, definitely show signs of long-term damage, like slow speech, going off on random tangents in the middle of someone else talking, not listening to people, and not getting upset about things when they really should.

Less addictive? Again, I've known 3/4 heavy stoners who all struggled to kick it after a couple of years of daily use (even if they switched to normal fags), yet after a couple of years of drinking heavily, none of my mates are having "issues".

Also only known of a couple of occasions in my life when I saw anyone getting violent because of alcohol. Far more occasions than that when sober!

Just from my experience. I could easily be totally wrong!

Hate to do it but i'm going to have to be that really annoying chap for a minute..

It is absolutely no safer than drinking alcohol. Imagine that it is due to some lovely chap being a little drunk that he manages to find the courage to tackle a horrible person doing something shitty in the streets, whereas maybe the same guy whos had a bit of a smoke and is passing the same incident a little paranoid or 'out of the moment' or something and does not choose to do anything. subsequently the shitty thing either happens or doesnt and may result in something 'not safe'.

The question i'd have to ask is that it's safer for who?

On the other hand there are thousands of people drunk as garden gnome; who laugh and shout the days away and something really shitty in society gets overlooked and un-noticed and results in something that is 'unsafe' for many people, including our smoker/drinker. However, him/her being a smoker has spent many hours 'out the box' contemplating things and generating a quiter more compassionate life and is lead to actively tackle this (hypothetical) problem and creates a result which prevents the 'unsafe' event/outcome arising.

Remember these are both drugs, which change our state of reference/thinking/being and can result in many things, even overlapping to create the same 'positives' or 'negatives' as the other!

As for the drunken twat going round smashing people in the face that you describe.. I actually have a broken skull right now. 3 fractures to zygoma and orbital and a 'shifted' cheekbone nearly 3mm from just one (MASSIVE! ) and quite un-provoked 'smash to the face' from one (presumably) drunken young man. Gotta say, i'd had a few myself and was having a good laugh with a few friends. I don't think he quite agreed with the notion of a good time and obviously felt an uncontrollable need to end the enjoyment right there and then.

Gotta say i wish he'd stayed at home and rolled up a fat one that night!

On the flip side, iv'e felt just as upset with people in my life for smoking to much weed and turning into soggy little fajitas and at some points wouldv'e loved to see them get up and have abit of a tussle!

But even so, i guess i'm trying to say that everything has it's place. And let's not make a case for something by de-grading somehting else.

I think my views on it are distorted a little from being in the USA rather than the UK. Pot is much more widely used and accepted out here, and it comes with a much smaller penalty I presume. So maybe it's more of a case of more 'couldn't give a shit' people are using weed in the UK as opposed to the people out here. Maybe the people you guys have had experiences with were like that before they started using weed?

I still feel pot is safer. You can't overdose with pot for a start, the only way you can kill a labrat with pot is to drop a big chuck of it and squish it to death. I also still feel pot is less addictive physically, possibly about the same as alcohol when we're talking to the addiction of changing your mental state but that's just because they intoxicate you on roughly the same level (or the same level can easily be achieved).

All I know is I'd rather have a friend go out and get completely wasted on pot rather than alcohol.

[monkeyseemonkeydo]

What's the deal with health and the smoking element? My little understanding is that anyone who smokes dope is smoking it together with tobacco so are there still problems with health down the road purely due to the fact you're putting shit in your lungs as with standard death sticks?

[JT!]

Well that's why I try and say 'use weed' instead of 'smoking weed' because if I were to ever use it I'd vaporize it... or eat it. I'm sure a lot of users use tobacco too, but they'll probably have a good drink from time to time too.

[Dave Anscombe]

Why don't you go get cancer, then fix it with cannabis.

Then we'll take you seriously.

And you'll make a fortune.

Im not out to make a penny ....lives are more important than money .

How about when one of your loved ones( god forbid) came down with a serious health condition-Maybe the information ive provided would save their life -over chemo which Degenerates the good cells in the body...radiation of any kind is not good for the system! granted it does work from time to time but in most cases the ilness returns ....where as pure oil has a much much higher sucses rate!

If you read my first posts it states ive WITNESSED it work!

Well that's why I try and say 'use weed' instead of 'smoking weed' because if I were to ever use it I'd vaporize it... or eat it. I'm sure a lot of users use tobacco too, but they'll probably have a good drink from time to time too.

phelps-strongest lungs in the world( how many gold medals cant remember off the top of my head) -vaporizes daily!

For the side of medical benefits, isnt it possible to remove the part of cannabis that makes you 'high' (thc? ) so you get the medical benefits with out being stoned?

yes thats called synthetic cannabis-Which to be honest is no wear near as good....neither is gmo weed-that stuff has killed many people

[Dave Anscombe]

Im trying to be a positive force in the world and offer life changing information !

if you dont believe a word of it thats not my problem have a root around and find thousands of patients stories -at the end of the day if i can save a life by sharing information

im happy as larry

You can lead people to knowledge but you cant make them think .

Il force my self to make this my last post on trials forum

just make sure the partys not tooo Big

Dave x

[JT!]

phelps-strongest lungs in the world( how many gold medals cant remember off the top of my head) -vaporizes daily!

yes thats called synthetic cannabis-Which to be honest is no wear near as good....neither is gmo weed-that stuff has killed many people

Yeah and I bet if he'd had gone out one night for a few beers it'd have f**ked his training for weeks.

Synthetic pot is crazy dangerous.

[sharn]

Although it messed myself and a lot of my mates up, I wouldn't change it, fantastic couple of years!

I only wish I hadn't smoked it so excessively so I could have it as an occasional treat now

Maybe try finding a nice hippy girl who'll make you some cakes?! Or cannabutter? I do think smoking it is the strongest way to affect your brain function.. which is what most of us had problems with?!

As for my ridiculous comments about it not being any 'safer' than alcohol.. well they were ridiculous and i was just playing devils advocate because i know iv'e avoided responsibilities sometimes whilst high and been a total f'kin hero other times whilst drunk! I think its probably more likely that (some) alcohol just makes you abit stupid! And i'm pretty sure it doesnt have many cell healing qualities.

But its obvious.. Weed/Hemp/oil/hash/t-shirts with big ganja leafs on them.. It's all for the win!

I'll stop with my useless contributions and ask if anyone has much information on the actual biological process that ocurrs in the process of this healing?

I'd be very interested to read more about it.

+1 for would definitely be happier to try hemp oils/remedies before any prescribtion tablets/radiotherapy etc!! Anyone else?

Edited February 12, 2013 by sharn

[sharn]

I think my views on it are distorted a little from being in the USA rather than the UK. Pot is much more widely used and accepted out here, and it comes with a much smaller penalty I presume. So maybe it's more of a case of more 'couldn't give a shit' people are using weed in the UK as opposed to the people out here. Maybe the people you guys have had experiences with were like that before they started using weed?

I still feel pot is safer. You can't overdose with pot for a start, the only way you can kill a labrat with pot is to drop a big chuck of it and squish it to death. I also still feel pot is less addictive physically, possibly about the same as alcohol when we're talking to the addiction of changing your mental state but that's just because they intoxicate you on roughly the same level (or the same level can easily be achieved).

All I know is I'd rather have a friend go out and get completely wasted on pot rather than alcohol.

I actually agree with most things you've been saying.. I just ramble loads because i'm un-employed.

[sharn]

Im trying to be a positive force in the world and offer life changing information !

if you dont believe a word of it thats not my problem have a root around and find thousands of patients stories -at the end of the day if i can save a life by sharing information

im happy as larry

You can lead people to knowledge but you cant make them think .

Il force my self to make this my last post on trials forum

just make sure the partys not tooo Big

Dave x

Don't go.. I think your'e doing a good thing spreading the weed and sparking conversation. ( )

And you know it doesnt matter if people believe you.. like ghandi said.. Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is still the truth.

Now wheres that ganja 'erb emoticon..?!

Edited February 12, 2013 by sharn

[manuel]

last time I had any weed I thought Id cured cancer too.

[Max Quinn]

I think my views on it are distorted a little from being in the USA rather than the UK. Pot is much more widely used and accepted out here, and it comes with a much smaller penalty I presume. So maybe it's more of a case of more 'couldn't give a shit' people are using weed in the UK as opposed to the people out here. Maybe the people you guys have had experiences with were like that before they started using weed?

I still feel pot is safer. You can't overdose with pot for a start, the only way you can kill a labrat with pot is to drop a big chuck of it and squish it to death. I also still feel pot is less addictive physically, possibly about the same as alcohol when we're talking to the addiction of changing your mental state but that's just because they intoxicate you on roughly the same level (or the same level can easily be achieved).

All I know is I'd rather have a friend go out and get completely wasted on pot rather than alcohol.

To be honest I kind of know what you're talking about with 'couldn't give a shit people', but to be honest most people like that I know who smoke seem to deal with it fairly well. Sure, it may make them lazy, but people like that are generally in an alright frame of mind and pretty comfortable in life. It's the people less like that who've got more inner demons messing them around that cannabis f**ks over properly.

Correct me if I'm completely wrong but I just feel like you're approaching this from an educated, scientific point of view with things like 'you can't overdose', but have none of the actual experience to accurately form an opinion.

One of the main things that makes me think that is your last sentence, you've got to understand how different it is to alcohol, people don't generally 'go out and get completely wasted' on weed once a week to let of steam and that's it. People do it mainly to relax and when they're not going out, so it's much more likely to become something you do every day.

[trials hoe]

What's the deal with health and the smoking element? My little understanding is that anyone who smokes dope is smoking it together with tobacco so are there still problems with health down the road purely due to the fact you're putting shit in your lungs as with standard death sticks?

the aspect of smoking weed with tobacco does make it much worse than a normal cig, due to it being unfiltered amplifying all the nastys in cigs. but weed on its own can't be all bad, its used in some way to treat asthma, something to do with it dilating the bronchioles (no idea how thats supposed to be spelled) in you lungs iirc wich will also make the whole unfiltered tobacco thing even worse too.

[MadManMike]

What's the deal with health and the smoking element? My little understanding is that anyone who smokes dope is smoking it together with tobacco so are there still problems with health down the road purely due to the fact you're putting shit in your lungs as with standard death sticks?

When I used to smoke it, I smoked it pure in a pipe. Hate tobacco and the whole "rolly" concept to be honest.

[FamilyBiker]

if you´d have had some before the hot wing challenge you´d have killed them all!

[casualjoe]

There's more tar in weed, so it's more filthy on your lungs, 1 joint is like the equivalent of 5 fags or something.

There's a group called normL that are campaigning for legalisation, back a while there was another group called clear that wanted to make loads of money out of legalising it and gained quite a following because they seemed legit and professional with plans for how the uk would make 6 billion in tax by exaggerating the figures to win support, anyway it turns out the party leader Peter Reynolds was basically a nazi and lost all support for his plan in a matter of months, medicinal cannabis users wanted someone nice to represent them and so it was hilarious to watch that guy get ripped off his horse kicking and screaming.

[Dave Anscombe]

There's more tar in weed, so it's more filthy on your lungs, 1 joint is like the equivalent of 5 fags or something.

There's a group called normL that are campaigning for legalisation, back a while there was another group called clear that wanted to make loads of money out of legalising it and gained quite a following because they seemed legit and professional with plans for how the uk would make 6 billion in tax by exaggerating the figures to win support, anyway it turns out the party leader Peter Reynolds was basically a nazi and lost all support for his plan in a matter of months, medicinal cannabis users wanted someone nice to represent them and so it was hilarious to watch that guy get ripped off his horse kicking and screaming.

Yeah when you smoke it yes theres tar in anything you smoke even candy floss !

when you vaporisers -No

were talking about pure cannabis oil .thc Which you ingest

Verry few opend minded people on this forum !

i cant help but reply.......Because ive SEEN IT WORK !

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/marijuana-and-cancer_n_1898208.html

http://www.chrisbeatcancer.com/lindsey-cures-colon-cancer-with-cannabis-in-48-days/

http://www.endalldisease.com/harvard-study-says-marijuana-cures-cancer/

harvard studies ! link above

Anyone that can prove me wrong gets and onza zoot .Seriously !

Edited February 12, 2013 by Dave Anscombe

[Dave Anscombe]

Title-IS THERE A CURE COMMING ?

Ermmm the cure has been around for years!

http://www.care2.com/causes/is-a-cure-coming-marijuana-compound-stops-aggressive-cancers.html

Edited February 12, 2013 by Dave Anscombe