rupintart Posted January 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) What I'm curious on is all the people who have taco'd rims, how many have you taco'd? How old was the rim? Was it even built well? The reason I ask is there seems to be a ton of people saying "if I taco the rim..." as the main arguing point yet, I doubt many people taco rims at a pace to where it can even be a valid enough point. When I rode 3-4 hours a day, 6-7 days a week, and did comps, I rode a DX32 with extremely harsh grinding every other week for a little over a year before I started getting flat spots from the sidewalls getting too thin and the rm coming out of true as a result of it being weak. So those of you who can run rims longer than a year (especially if you compete), your riding should be fine/smooth enough to where you don't destroy a rim with the coating if you're concerned about taco'ing it. I've seen what a well built crappy rim can take. You can build up a crappy cruiser single wall rim and with a good builder it can take quite a bit of abuse under a hack rider. So the guys who taco rims regularly may want to look in finding another wheelbuilder or keeping up on that maintenance like stated by somebody in this thread. Here's a crappy clip of a botched warm-up gap. I say warm-up gap because it was a gap I did after riding for 5 hours, eating, and then a 2 hour drive home. I was beyond stiffened up and tired. It was the first thing (and next to last) thing I did before I put the bike back on the rack to head home and drink beer. I saw some friends at a light and they asked me to do a gap for their friend whose never seen trials. You can hear when I hit the curb. I guarantee you if that was a multi-ground rim, the wheel probably would have been knocked out of true or possibly flat spotted or at the very least dented the sidewall. The rim is true and straight with no dents and the coating is fine. http://youtu.be/ravTnd_jPBE I know that's not really too much of a testament to how the rim performs per say, but it sort of gives you an idea. FWIW, the coating is still good as new after over 40 hours of riding with TNN greens from me personally and nearing (possibly over? I say this cause he rides over twice as much as I do, especially after the coating because he's experimenting with different pads) 100 hours at a pro-comp-level from the guy who coats the rims. If you're willing to spend the money, it works. Edited January 22, 2013 by rupintart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valk Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Well yes you don't bust your rims that oftne, even if you did I doubt 3 a year would be your case, but even then, it's double the price for a rim, you could just buy 2 rims, what if you wanna change it for a better looking one or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupintart Posted January 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 But see, that's the thing...nobody wants to go through the hassle of relacing a rim just for a "better looking one." And these people that do, usually didn't pay for the rims to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny00135 Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 You do realise grinding has nothing to do with it? If you're harsh enough to F**k a ground rim then you'll do it to one which isn't! I landed like that on Saturday about 7 times due to snow... Tell me... Why is my wheel still freakin' amazing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Haven't read the whole thread so sorry if it's been said... Grinding rims makes your bike lighter every time, this will surely add weight... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 http://youtu.be/ravTnd_jPBE PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 My tartybikes built trialtech sport rim flatspotted after only 4 grinds....I doubt it was the wheelbuild. Any how. Ive said enough. I really like the idea, and so far it seems to work well, but its not for me at present. I'll stick to grinding my rims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew_coggan Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 I think its fair to say most people on here from the UK buy all of our bike parts from tarty bikes especally wheel bits. If there was a UK based firm doing it or tarty getting someone to do it if you wanted it doing when you get a new wheel / rim it would work in the UK. Most people wont want to try it because of the posting to the USA and then back again to much effort for most + works out to expensive, if UK based would save money there therefore more people want it and price goes down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 awkward.... And up there your grind is dead in a days riding Can any one remember the mavic cerarimc rims? They were a bit stronger than the same rims with out the coating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULtrialsguy Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Well I personally really like the idea. If I was getting a new rim I'd probably go for this if it was cheaper. As said it would be cheaper if say a few of us got it done at the same time in a large batch. Problem is there isn't really any other riders over here in Ireland I could bundle it in with. The thing I love about trials bikes is that you don't have to go messing about adjusting things. You don't have to adjust derailers or suspension settings or anything else that comes with standard bikes. So why should we have to mess around grinding our rims. I just want to grab my bike and go and ride not mess about in the shed with a grinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Get disc brakes! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny00135 Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Get disc brakes! That's by far the most sensible comment anyone has made on here so far.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) how about my "learn to ride and use smooth rims" comment i resisted telling since the thread started? :wink2: Edited January 22, 2013 by FamilyBiker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny00135 Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Get disc brakes! That's by far the most sensible comment anyone has made on here so far.. This one is also sensible learn to ride and use smooth rims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0zzy Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Get disc brakes! why use a worse brake? magura with a grind is by far the most superior brake for trials.. how about my "learn to ride and use smooth rims" comment i resisted telling since the thread started? :wink2: what happens if it rains at a comp then? you have a instant shit brake and a massive disadvantage to all of your opponents.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) is joking a term for you? sure,it depends on the purpose,comp riders need a ground rim. but they dont have to care bout money if the rim sponsored was coated like plazmatic,we hobby riders have more thoughts about cost of parts. for a hobby rider a smooth rim can do the job as theyre less likely to search for bad conditions when riding Edited January 22, 2013 by FamilyBiker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny00135 Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 what happens if it rains at a comp then? you have a instant shit brake and a massive disadvantage to all of your opponents.. That's where the "learn to ride" bit comes in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0zzy Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) is joking a term for you? why just post shit then?, didnt mean to sound so offensive seen you have edited your post and i agree with the majority of it. Edited January 22, 2013 by 0zzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake. Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Isn't it true though? If you have a brake that doesn't work, and others have a brake that does. Who's got the advantage? That's where the "learn to ride" bit comes in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0zzy Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 That's where the "learn to ride" bit comes in... i dont know if your being a idiot like the guy above ? so your going to give your self a disadvantage for the hell of it just so you can "learn to ride" you sir are a clown. the whole point of a comp is that you do everything within your own power so that you can ride your best. just because you seem a negative b*****d does not mean you can post crap all over the forum and try to put other people off.. this is a great idea and i would love to see one in real life sounds like it answers a lot of questions for the riders who actually ride there bikes and not mope over trials forum all day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny00135 Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Isn't it true though? If you have a brake that doesn't work, and others have a brake that does. Who's got the advantage? But if the rider with the bad brake is incredibly good because of it (does not rely on the brake and uses body position therefore smoother) then they're surely the ones with the advantage? We've all been in the position where our brakes suddenly go poop.. imagine it going poop and then still being able to ride to the same standard..i dont know if your being a idiot like the guy above ? just because you seem a negative b*****d Now you're just insulting me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0zzy Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 But if the rider with the bad brake is incredibly good because of it (does not rely on the brake and uses body position therefore smoother) then they're surely the ones with the advantage? We've all been in the position where our brakes suddenly go poop.. imagine it going poop and then still being able to ride to the same standard.. there fore with a good brake you could ride even better, its not rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) thats what i wanted to point out with the little joke i got beaten for by the pro guy i ride my grinds until theyre dead with a mirror shine literally,and with changing pads to softer compounds half way the grind goes i have NEVARRRR! had my brake slipping yet. there are people that dont need to grind every week,compriders could/should,i said nothing different to that.but looking at flipp,who could literally ride comps brakeless,i dont get the point of a "one has to grind" for beeing an excellent rider no need to bitch me for saying what i think about it personally Edited January 22, 2013 by FamilyBiker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0zzy Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 if you want to ride at your best having a brake that is working consistently good is defo key and will give you loads of confidence. i cant believe this is even a argument.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 i think the whole brakeless thing made people hard to believe it all comes from the brake surface :wink2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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