rickbury1985 Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Hi, May seem a daft question but is their a noticable differance between maguras and v brakes? I have toyed with the idea of upgrading my brakes for years and only now am I considering it, my bike is made up of old parts which have stood the test of time and have never let me down and for my braking i use the old skool trick of using tar for better grip. I would have considered disks but my frame and forks dont have the mounting. Also from maguras to disks how much of a differance to braking are they?? If anybody can advise id be grateful as im about to purchase these maguras tomorrow. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I'd imagine the best thing you could do is purchase a pair of up to date V pads and run a grind. The brakes themselves work well, the only advancement has been the pad tech. A pair of TNN LGVs on a grind would work great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 As above. Both will perform well if set up correctly. The LGV's are brilliant, but I can strongly reccomend the ADV pads too. Very good pads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) I don't use a V anymore but I use a Magura on the back of the 26" and I've used tar for the last 13/14 years. I'd always go Magura rear, even with cheap pads my brakes have always been vicious with tar, but a V is fine on the front, a V with tar is an on/off switch, no modulation but the bit & hold is ridiculous. Edited January 11, 2013 by LEON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Vees all the way, much better hold and can have bite simmilar to maggies when you set them up perfectly. Just don´t use any calipers with paralelogram system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I stopped using rear V's when my feet started hitting the calipers (I have big feet) and trousers started getting caught (I don't wear skinny clothing) They're easily knocked onto the rim which puts the brake on when you don't want it. That's dangerous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) I stopped using rear V's when my feet started hitting the calipers (I have big feet) and trousers started getting caught (I don't wear skinny clothing) They're easily knocked onto the rim which puts the brake on when you don't want it. That's dangerous Heh,that never happened to me, but bro keeps bitchin about it. Nothing good booster wouldn´t change though Edited January 11, 2013 by ghostrider88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Unless you're running it caved in like an A instead of a V then you can still catch it with a booster They're fine for an on/off brake on the front, but I think a Magura just does everything better on the rear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 other than not have as much hold and is harder to pull Vee on the rear every time, for trialsy trials anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I´m running them so they are exactly parallel. And I know about one well known rider who would disagree with that statement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickbury1985 Posted January 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Thanks everybody for your imput, i have ground both my rims as they had never been done and il prob go with the maguras as they are being sold for peanuts, if they prove no better I will sling the old faithfulls back on. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 If you have dedicated v brake mounts I wouldn't even bother with evo2 adapters. The main reason people used the evo2 adapters was because the hs33 had more pad choice at the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 (edited) other than not have as much hold and is harder to pull Vee on the rear every time, for trialsy trials anyway. Anyone who finds pulling a Magura lever hard work should probably be playing chess not riding trials lol. If you have dedicated v brake mounts I wouldn't even bother with evo2 adapters. The main reason people used the evo2 adapters was because the hs33 had more pad choice at the time Why? Engineering wise I agree they're not ideal, the booster could look better, but I had evo 2 mounts on my last 26 for about 2 years and they gave me zero problems, much better than the original evo. Plus they're meant for mountain bikes, not trials bikes with 40 odd mm rims. Edited January 12, 2013 by LEON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant wildman Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 I've been running a Vee brake on the rear for years . The most important part to powerful Vee brake is in the cables . Poor quality , knackered cables or poor cable routing will cause lots of friction on the cables making the lever feel spongey and lack power . Only recently using a grind on the rear , but even with cheap soft Vee pads (like the onza's or savage components) the power is great ! Im running Avid ultimate levers and Avid Mag (like an SD7) calliper . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I would invest in some better pad material and some better cable Nokon style is good. Maguras are less maintenance in the long run over v brake But if you been happy with v brake for years then you might as well save your money and get new pads and cable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Maguras are less maintenance in the long run over v brake Not really, number of topics with title:"Something´s wrong with my magura" only proves it. I don´t know if I have seen here topic about vees not working, I´m very positive I haven´t. They are easier to setup or repair if something goes wrong as well. No sticky or swollen pistons, no air in the system, no pad wobble or broken crossovers. So yeah, not really easier to maintain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant wildman Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Not really, number of topics with title:"Something´s wrong with my magura" only proves it. I don´t know if I have seen here topic about vees not working, I´m very positive I haven´t. They are easier to setup or repair if something goes wrong as well. No sticky or swollen pistons, no air in the system, no pad wobble or broken crossovers. So yeah, not really easier to maintain. Maguras and hydraulic brakes in general should be lower maintenance as cable stretch and get grotty . But people like to bleed maguras with water so the seals are no longer lubricated and causes issues and shortens the brakes lifespan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 I think If you run a 50/50 mix of water and antifreeze you do get some lubrication. Ive been running mine that way for the past few years and havent had any slow pistons or leaks. Up until yesterday that is, but my slave cyclinders are 9 years old this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 cable stretch Urban myth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant wildman Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Urban myth What do you think barrel adjusters are for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 pad wear, same as a TPA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant wildman Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Then why do gears have barrel adjusters ? I under stand wear rate and the compression of cables needing adjustment , but I still think they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 gears are very finely tuned though, I'm not saying cabled are impossible to stretch, just you'd never notice it. The compression of the outer would be more than the stretch of the inner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC12345678910 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) mags are a fair weather thing for me. Its good at the mo, powerful (HSB yellows sorted that), stiff (t/tech 2 bolt and a fourplay'll do that) so it's all good. BUT... When it plays up it'll do things properly swollen pistons/leakages/TPA failure/bust main or CO hose etc. or it breaks like the master cracks again.(its cracked once already and was saved by the cut mod) The pre-set V will go on and i'll have a look at a later, when i can be arsed, date in time. the above statement shows how confident i am about mags. They are not the be all and end all. EDIT: just noticed in the topic headline that you mean a race line. Old mag 33's such as this are much better IMO. they suffer little cracked masters like 05 style since they do not share the design and subsequent stress riser, The pistons seem to like put up with water better. And my mate rob L's front r/line must have outlived 3 or 4 05 style masters in the time he had it, even with that silly RB blade he put on. eww. Edited January 14, 2013 by CC12345678910 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant wildman Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 gears are very finely tuned though, I'm not saying cabled are impossible to stretch, just you'd never notice it. The compression of the outer would be more than the stretch of the inner. Exactly , which makes me wonder why compression outer brake cable is even made ?? Linear cables make much more sense . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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