FamilyBiker Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 . also.. those 2 stems up there look nothing alike. in the link in post 11 its clearly similar to eachother. system x?where 2 get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCottTrials Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 I always seem to end up with loads of onza stuff. Serves me well, can't complain about the quality. LOVE my zoot. Hate the name onza though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 you get for what you pay for... buy a £4 stem.. itll snap. buy a £20 stem.. it may snap. buy a £45 stem.. it wont snap. in most cases. this is not always the case but its an alright guide to go by. also.. those 2 stems up there look nothing alike. I disagree, that's not the case with trials parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockman Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Rockman Kortz frame = £650 lasts 3 months Echo Pure 2011 frame = £350 lasted 11 months and still going 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Rockman Kortz frame = £650 lasts 3 months Echo Pure 2011 frame = £350 lasted 11 months and still going Better change your name! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 you get for what you pay for... buy a £4 stem.. itll snap. buy a £20 stem.. it may snap. buy a £45 stem.. it wont snap. Complete nonsense. Wellgo MG1 pedals are a good example, they are (or were) branded with these names: Onza, TryAll, Trialtech or just Wellgo - all priced very differently, all the same product. It's the same story with many parts out there. Having a TryAll logo on the same part will not make it any less snap happy than having Onza written on it. There's nothing wrong with manufacturers using OEM suppliers as long as they look for durable parts. Although this kind of approach can have a negative impact because it means less new parts are being developed. You'll find that new companies use massive amounts of OEM stuff because they want to create a full lineup of parts with their logo, with custom parts being developed in the future when the brand grows. Inpulse for instance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC12345678910 Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) Complete nonsense. Wellgo MG1 pedals are a good example, they are (or were) branded with these names: Onza, TryAll, Trialtech or just Wellgo - all priced very differently, Still true. I bought wellgo using google shopping for <£40 (can't remaember exactly), TT branded = £55 odd and try-all were even worse. All because you don't want people to go WTF?? WELLGO????? at you. It's logic like this that means peple don't wear a helmet on bmx/DJ and such (yet will wear pads n shinny's cos they can hide them under skinny's), vanity is also in the mix somewhere too. since I'm no oil painting anyway it don't bother me one bit. Edited October 22, 2012 by CC12345678910 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials hoe Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 You'll find that new companies use massive amounts of OEM stuff because they want to create a full lineup of parts with their logo, i'd say it would be a case of keeping manufacturing costs down, it's buisness after-all. there's no point making it yourself if you could buy it and sticker it up cheaper....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Gosden Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Personally i'd recomend buying the trial-tech one due to them being a more popular reliable brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlperkins Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Complete nonsense. You edited out the part where i said "this isnt always the case but its an alright guide to go by" ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 peple don't wear a helmet on bmx/DJ and such (yet will wear pads n shinny's cos they can hide them under skinny's), The frequency of people getting pedal slaps is slightly different to people hitting their heads, so that might come into it... Anyways, that looks to be pretty much the same as the Trialtech stem. At least there don't seem to be any massive differences - most forged stems tend to be pretty similar to each other, and should be up to the job. The faceplate looks fractionally different to the Trialtech, and the bolts are different too, but that's not anything that's necessarily going to affect it functionally that much. EDIT: To specifically answer the product title though, Trialtech and Procraft aren't the same brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted October 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) i wrote an email to merida-centurion group(theyre procraft aswell),product services the other day and they told me they cant give me the info that them and trialtech are related to eachother,but that this had to do with warranty rights management. they said" we cant definitely tell you that these stems arent produced by the same manufacturer,but we for ourselves can speak out our warranty only for certain use.our stems are tested with dynamic loads highly above those appearing in "normal" MTB use,but we cant guarantee it will hold up for trials use." just got me thinking to read it,so i asked here... edit:maybe i should change the question to like "who used procraft without problems?" :wink2: Edited October 22, 2012 by FamilyBiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 you're weird Edit, in the sense that you went and emailed them when you already knew the answer? Everyone said the answer and riders sponsored by Trialtech told you the answer? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted October 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) sometimes a sponsored rider is willing to give you information a manufacturer isnt,right ali? edit:sometimes everybodys "weird"haha i dont find it weird to collect knowledge about the things behind the scenes with bicycle manufacturers,its all from taiwan,so possibly the same product... Edited October 23, 2012 by FamilyBiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 I also think the topic is a bit weird But in answer to your first post, those two stems are different. One is a 25.4mm clamp. However I am sure anyone can order the same stem as the Trialtech with their logo on if they buy enough quantity. It's a good stem - cheap, light AND strong. You could do a custom tooled stem but it would be more expensive and not really any better, so why bother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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